Amen

Hebrews 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

?

1.the evidence of things not seen-(faith)

does that tie into

3.were not made of things which do appear-(faith)

is this like a test of your faith

(IE), you do things you believe to
be from the Holy Spirit?
1. faith: is the substance of things hoped for, the substance of things, your lets
call it works. (as in faith without works)

3. so that things which are seen-your fruit
1. Now faith is the substance of things -
again fruit.

Do you agree?

or at least understand what Im asking?

6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him
Randy
whats your thoughts on verse 6?
compared to verse 15
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned

All I will say is if he was a called
preacher, he should not have given up
his calling...
Everything about this man and all the
others is a real joke... People will
fall for anything and stand for nothing

Susan Miller | West Palm Beach, FL
Why I Have a Hard Time Supporting Mike Huckabee
Kevin Swanson
“ Great Sermon! ”
I also watched the sermon at the link posted in the previous comment by John from Dallas, TX. I pray that Christians will become aware of these important issues. Immediately after President Reagan was sworn into office, he appointed a blue ribbon panel to review the federal government. It was led by Peter Grace and is known as the 'Grace Commission.' From the cover letter: "100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government

(me)

In another sermon by Kevin S, he did the same to Ron Paul, alot more make believe.

I would not concider anything this man
says as other then hype.

Hi Susan, Dessie
Merry Christmas

Vote Ron Paul
Its all in the walk
Not in the talk

Walt wrote:
For those who have fallen into the trap of Abigail's public heretical views, I would encourage you to read someone else on the subject

But those who have fallen

Need to read The Bible, GODS WORD.

Merry Christmas

Dessie wrote:
All I will say is if he was a called
preacher, he should not have given up
his calling...
Everything about this man and all the
others is a real joke... People will
fall for anything and stand for nothing.

Amen

Not sure if its a money thing, he made
more as a preacher, (those that treat
preaching as a occupation) must be PRIDE.

Did huc die to self?

Is he born again, or seeking a new job?

Knock me down with a feather wrote:
Reposting, because I would love to see a response to this from the errorists

But why do you suppose that the Lord can work something in believers to will and to do his good pleasure without violating their will but not in unbelievers?
Tick tock... Let us see if they can respond in the next 1000 years...

Walt wrote:
Terry, nowhere in Scripture are we told why God even allowed Adam and Eve to sin using their own free will. Their choice was totally free and they knew no prior sin in the garden. God's creation of Adam from the dust of the earth, and Eve from the rib of Adam, was perfect in every way.
But Satan is evil, a deceiver and the wicked one. He is a master at murder and all things evil. He loves evil and hates righteousness. Why would he have been permitted to tempt Adam and Eve, and how could such a free will be tricked to break covenant with God?
Pride!!! When you see Yamil's posts, and Mike's posts, you can see the pride come through in the commentary. They have built a partnership of sorts, and you can see how they place man in almost a superior position over God. Pride has become a sin of the Arminian follower and is demonstrated by their prayers. You have probably heard of the Arminian prayer before, so I will not attempt to restate it here, but it is full of pride.

nowhere in Scripture are we told why God even allowed Adam and Eve to sin using their own free will.

Walt wrote:
Quote,
Excellent job!!!!

Why does God choose some to eternal life and others to eternal destruction, we do not know? In our finite minds, can we challenge God to call Him unfair or evil for choosing some to honor and some to dishonor? God forbid, let God be Truth and every man a liar!
By His righteousness, holiness and glory are we made holy and one perfect man in unity. May all glory be given to God for He first loved us, and whom He elects is His perfect will...who are we to challenge our Creator, but foolish!

Why does God choose some to eternal life and others to eternal destruction, we do not know?

Amen, we do not know

quote wrote:
"When God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, he said he would not destroy the righteous with the wicked (Genesis 18:25). The only righteous person found was Lot (and perhaps his family), and he was therefore rescued with his family. But the infants were left to be destroyed in that city."

brother Michael wrote:
I am not a "Calvinist" but I do believe in the Scriptural doctrine of election whereby it is GOD who has chosen the week, foolish, etc. to confound the wise.

You asked for a verse. Here are two.
"What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory." (Rom 9:22-23)
"Therefore they could not believe, because that Isaiah said again,
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." (John 12:39-40)

Dr. Yamil Luciano wrote:
And eveyone else... well they simply have lucked out I suppose.

Doc's reply,
[AUTHOR]Dr. Yamil Luciano wrote:
And eveyone else... well they simply have lucked out I suppose.

Never looked at it that way.
Going to hell, lucky?

Dr. Yamil Luciano wrote:
I have the answer, but first you will need to explain how is it that an elect infant can be born again before being born the first time?
Let me give you a hint: Ha!

Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it

MurrayA wrote:
To all on the board,
A joyful and blessed Christmas season, and likewise for 2008.
Let us hope for our Saviour's glorious, triumphant, and public return in 2008!
Lo, He comes with clouds descending,
Once for favoured sinners slain.
Thousand, thousand saints attending,
Swell the triumph of His train.
Hallelujah
Christ appears on earth to reign!
(Martin Madan & Charles Wesley)
Come, let us anew,
Our journey pursue,
Roll round with the year,
And never stand still till the Master appear.
(Charles Wesley)

R. K. Borill wrote:
Amen.
"Blessed are ye when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."
The Arminian doctrine is comfortable to the ears of the world, it brings no persecution upon the Arminian. The song of the Arminian lulls the world to sleep. It is a melody that gives them confidence in themselves.
On the other hand, the Calvinist . . .

I just love'em

That was like the mother of all verses
you just dumped on a man who stuggles
with pride. But right on time Randy.

Blessed are ye when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

I said it before brother,
A part of me wants to cry
A part of me wants to laugh

Someone in the Bible said something
about God has every tear, Praise God

Randy, I came to SA for fellowship,
with you I found it, thank God.

Merry Chrismas
To All

R. K. Borill wrote:
Terry,
If JD were truly aware of "I will have to face my words again some day," would he have written "evans, are you past 12 years old?"
You have apparently reduced his arguments to ad homenims which is the last resort of Arminians.
Amen.

I take it, the way I'm sure he meant it

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And one for you JD

Matthew 18:4
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven

Randy, I'm beging to think all these
people who speak as JD, (as one if you
will) reminds me of a verse or two.

Mark 5:9
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many

Luke 8:30
And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him

R K
Thank God always

JD

How did that person become rich?
The arminian answers, why by having his arms outstretched!! The calvinist says by a generous donor giving him something he did not possess!!

The christian, by cashing the check

take it to the bank
Jesus Saves, not yous, nor I

JD wrote:
With all due respect to the above writer, does his statement cause anyones else's head to spin? Try as one might, there is just simply no way to express justification without verbs. "but we can receive that justification that God gratuously provides in Christ by merely trusting in the Gospel message", the writer said, illustrating this fact.
The lost jailer said to Paul, What must I do to be saved", to which he replied "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt (future tense) be saved".
The theological statement is this;
Ro 4:24 But for us also (since the cross, to whom it (righteousness) shall be imputed,
if
we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Justification, regeneration, sanctification, imputation, gorification are all predicated on the "if" we believe.

Do you have this occur often JD

But than its not about you, or me
unless your talking about who is lost
as I said to
pick a name, maybe you,

I can tell by reading, you feel your
faith is just as good as his faith,
so God should count your faith as
righteousness also, you mean by grace
or just on your own merits, sorry
your own faith

christians

yep

bunch of christians

"Our act of faith is not imputed to us as a Righteousness" when the Bible states "his faith is counted for righteousness"

ML wrote:
Mike
I thought I had stated it clearly enough .. but permit me to give an illustration..
Imagine a blind beggar in the Middle East .. sitting day after day.. arms outstretched... waiting for the kindness of passers by. Now suppose some person comes and puts a check in his hand for $1 million... he cannot believe his good fortune.. he is helped to the bank and duly presents the check which is honored.
How did that person become rich?
The arminian answers, why by having his arms outstretched!! The calvinist says by a generous donor giving him something he did not possess!!
As for the verses you cite, I would refer you to the link in my previous post.

can I answer
How did that person become rich?
The arminian answers, why by having his arms outstretched!! The calvinist says by a generous donor giving him something he did not possess!!

I haven't gone to the link you refer to
yet, but is this close

The christian would say by cashing the check

take it to the bank
Jesus Saves

(THE GOSPEL)
That Through HEARING, Has FAITH, Through GRACE, REPENTS and BELIVES,

1950trek wrote:
"The just shall live by faith"
"For by grace are you saved through faith, and this faith does not come from you, this faith is the gift of God."
God generated calling, God generated faith, God generated grace, God generated justification!
Christ alone...

if I were pentacostal,
I would be jumping up and down

if I was catholic,
I'd kiss the pope

if I was mormon
I'd run for office

if I was a calvinist
Id say
na na na- na na na
maybe not, not that one should boast.

Mike wrote:
What do you mean by faith "as an instrument only"? If an instrument only, what are you saying it is not?
James 2:23 says: "And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."
Romans 4:3 says: "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."
Galatians 3:6 says: "Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
What is the "it" in these referring to?

where does faith come from

is it not measured out by God through
grace?

and it was imputed unto him for righteousness----grace

accounted to him for righteousness
again grace

What is the "it" in these referring to?
and it was ---faith

(THE GOSPEL)
That Through HEARING, Has FAITH, Through GRACE, REPENTS and BELIVES,
(THATS IT)