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Film-maker Zeffirelli vows to help Pope with image
Italian film and opera director Franco Zeffirelli is offering his services to Pope Benedict as an image consultant, saying the German pontiff comes across as cold and needs to review his wardrobe.

Zeffirelli, acclaimed for movies such as "Romeo and Juliet" and "Jesus of Nazareth", said in an interview with la Stampa daily on Saturday the 80-year-old pope did not have "a happy image".

"Coming after a media-savvy pope like John Paul II is a difficult task ... Benedict XVI still communicates coldly, in a way that is not suited with what is happening around him," Zeffirelli said. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, not clowns, exactly, but [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC2W0601.pdf]]]Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses[/URL], have a lot in common with one another. I would say this is a good commentary on the Prosperity Gospel by John MacArthur, [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/mac6.htm]]]What's Inside the Trojan Horse?[/URL] and the [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/spurgeon/dg01.htm]]]The Down Grade[/URL], by Charles Spurgeon. As that sermon said about the Anglican Church, It had, "A Popish Liturgy, a Calvinistic Creed, and an Arminian Clergy."
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News Item12/28/07 6:42 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Find all comments by R. K. Borill
GK wrote:
RK
they have much in common with mormons-although I think both of them qualify as clowns!!
a good link for comparison-
http://www.ondoctrine.com/10copela.htm
GK,

Who are the clowns? the Mormons and Ken, or Gloria and Ken? Or all of them? Just teasing. I know what you mean.

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News Item12/28/07 5:57 PM
GK  Find all comments by GK
RK

they have much in common with mormons-although I think both of them qualify as clowns!!

a good link for comparison-

http://www.ondoctrine.com/10copela.htm

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News Item12/28/07 5:36 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Find all comments by R. K. Borill
GK wrote:
and the Mormons have an awful lot in common with the charismatic word faith heresy of Copeland and his cohorts
GK,

Man this is news to me. I didn't know Ken and Joe Smith were "best buds".
How is KC's wife going to take this business of multiple wives?. . . Who knows she might enjoy the break from that clown.

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News Item12/28/07 4:57 PM
GK  Find all comments by GK
R. K. Borill wrote:
You draw false conclusions from the teachings of uninspired men to support your false doctrine. So, I thought I would begin to incorporate a little of your methods of argumentation. While you may deny being Mormon, I am certain if you did a comparative study, you would find that GK was not far off the mark for challenging you for a response.
and the Mormons have an awful lot in common with the charismatic word faith heresy of Copeland and his cohorts
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News Item12/28/07 4:54 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, La.  Contact via emailFind all comments by R. K. Borill
Abigail wrote:
What false presumptions you make, R.K. You could read my prior posts and the posts of others to know the answer.
No, I am not Mormon and have never been affiliated with the cult. Space on comments is the reason I have not answered before.
In the love of Jesus Christ with prayers
Abi
You draw false conclusions from the teachings of uninspired men to support your false doctrine. So, I thought I would take the liberty to incorporate a little of your methods of argumentation thinking that you might be able to identify with that since you can't recognize the truth. While you may deny being Mormon, I am certain if you did a comparative study, you would find that GK was not far off the mark for challenging you for a response.

Moreover, how much space does it take to say - No?

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News Item12/28/07 4:46 PM
GK  Find all comments by GK
Abigail

you still haven't addressed the problem of your posts contradicting themselves

IE
[ Abigail wrote:
It is only he who has accepted in adoring submission and obedience the command 'Be perfect' [Matthew 5:48] who can hope to know what the perfection is that God asks and gives.

earlier you said.....

Abigail wrote:
"I did not say Christians are meant to be incapable of sinning. I said Christians are to strive to cease from sin. They are to strive to be like Jesus Christ.

by perfection,I am assuming you mean sinless perfection......

I detect a contradiction in your argument.You are either perfect or you are not.If you are perfect,you must by implication therefore be "incapable of sinning" ].......

Are you perfect,or are you not?

To be perfect,you must be without sin.

If you are not perfect,then there must still be sin.

Which is your position?Perfection,or imperfection?Are you perfect or imperfect?

Cutting and pasting from some source on wikipedia or wherever doesn't do it...you need to address the question yourself.....

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News Item12/28/07 4:07 PM
Abigail | Oregon  Contact via emailFind all comments by Abigail
Church Fathers' Teachings on Free Will

Tertullian said, “I find, then, that man was constituted free by God. He was master of his own will and power…For a law would not be imposed upon one who did not have it in his power to render that obedience which is due to law. Nor again, would the penalty of death be threatened against sin, if a contempt of the law were impossible to man in the liberty of his will…Man is free, with a will either for obedience or resistance…I find, then, that man was constituted free by God. He was master of his own will and power…For a law would not be imposed upon one who did not have it in his power to render that obedience which is due to law. Nor again, would the penalty of death be threatened against sin, if a contempt of the law were impossible to man in the liberty of his will…Man is free, with a will either for obedience or resistance.

Irenaeus said, “By means of our first parents, we were all brought into bondage by being made subject to death…But man, being endowed with reason, and in this respect similar to God, having been made free in his will, and with power over himself, is himself his own cause that sometimes he becomes wheat, and sometimes chaff.” (A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs by David Bercot, published by Hendrickson P

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News Item12/28/07 2:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Interesting comments, Walt! Yes, a better source on martyrs would be, [URL=http://www.biblebelievers.com/foxes/findex.htm]]]FOX's BOOK of MARTYRS[/URL], and I would suggest the sermon, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=sermonsspeaker&sermonID=1050512213]]]Nullifying the Gospel's Saving Power[/URL].
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
....Paul was sent to preach not to baptize. He was to preach the gospel in a clear, simple way, not by cleverness of speech that would nullify any saving effect of it. At Corinth others tried to preach the gospel with man's wisdom to make it more attractive, appealing, effective, less offensive. Neither the message or the method to preach the gospel is to be changed over the centuries or the cross of Christ will be made void. Even if you preach the gospel accurately you nullify it when you add man's wisdom. Upbeat messages of hope emphasizing self-help, with the gospel tacked on, because the Word of God is foolishness to those who are perishing are false.
Of course Popes nullify the Gospel all of the time.

[URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L117.pdf]]]Christian and Catholics -- never together![/URL]

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News Item12/28/07 2:19 PM
Abigail | Oregon  Contact via emailFind all comments by Abigail
R. K. Borill wrote

"GK,
I have heard you ask Abigail several times now, "Are you a Mormon?". Yet, she does not respond. Why is this such a difficult question for her? It must be concluded in the affirmative, otherwise she would deny it outright. Then again, she must also be aware of the implications of her answering in the affirmative. If she does answer in the affirmative, she has been around obviously to know where the next series of questions will lead, and that is straight to the divinity of Christ.
Not only that, but what will be the impact of denial on her sinless perfection? Can she remain sinless and lie? It is easier on her conscience to remain silent and stay in the battle for error, polygamy, and the Mormon way. Thus, in her mind, the end justifies the means.
This will result in interesting conclusions with regard to those who have hitched their theology train to hers. And so we wait for an affirmation, a denial, or more evasive manuevers with ambiguous language.
____

What false presumptions you make, R.K. You could read my prior posts and the posts of others to know the answer.

No, I am not Mormon and have never been affiliated with the cult. Space on comments is the reason I have not answered before.

In the love of Jesus Christ with prayers
Abi

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News Item12/28/07 1:31 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Find all comments by R. K. Borill
GK wrote:
this all sounds like the "Blab it and grab it" heretics such as Copeland,Hinn,et al who claim that they are "little gods".....
again Abigail-are you actually a Mormon?It's surely an easy question to answer one way or the other?
GK,

I have heard you ask Abigail several times now, "Are you a Mormon?". Yet, she does not respond. Why is this such a difficult question for her? It must be concluded in the affirmative, otherwise she would deny it outright. Then again, she must also be aware of the implications of her answering in the affirmative. If she does answer in the affirmative, she has been around obviously to know where the next series of questions will lead, and that is straight to the divinity of Christ.
Not only that, but what will be the impact of denial on her sinless perfection? Can she remain sinless and lie? It is easier on her conscience to remain silent and stay in the battle for error, polygamy, and the Mormon way. Thus, in her mind, the end justifies the means.

This will result in interesting conclusions with regard to those who have hitched their theology train to hers. And so we wait for an affirmation, a denial, or more evasive manuevers with ambiguous language.

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News Item12/28/07 12:11 PM
GK  Find all comments by GK
this all sounds like the "Blab it and grab it" heretics such as Copeland,Hinn,et al who claim that they are "little gods".....

again Abigail-are you actually a Mormon?It's surely an easy question to answer one way or the other?

earlier I posted this....

[ Abigail wrote:
It is only he who has accepted in adoring submission and obedience the command 'Be perfect' [Matthew 5:48] who can hope to know what the perfection is that God asks and gives.

earlier you said.....

Abigail wrote:
"I did not say Christians are meant to be incapable of sinning. I said Christians are to strive to cease from sin. They are to strive to be like Jesus Christ.

by perfection,I am assuming you mean sinless perfection......

I detect a contradiction in your argument.You are either perfect or you are not.If you are perfect,you must by implication therefore be "incapable of sinning" ]

What is your reply??

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News Item12/28/07 11:28 AM
Abigail | Oregon  Contact via emailFind all comments by Abigail
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Heb 12:4-14 You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin (v4). is speaking of persecution being the chastening and scourging that God uses to bring in His sons the peacable fruit of righteousness (v11) and make them partakers of His holiness (v10). Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: (v14)

"Witness" and "Martyr" are translated from the same Greek word, "martus" literally or figuratively; by anal. a "martyr".

Though [Jesus] were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; (Ch 5:8). How much more the many brethren that are being conformed to His image must learn obedience through the things God permits them to suffer. Although persecution is inflicted by wicked men, they do so by the permission of God for the perfecting of the many sons that Christ will bring to glory.

For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings (Ch 2:10).

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; (Phi 3:10)

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News Item12/28/07 11:06 AM
Walt | Michigan  Find all comments by Walt
In regards to the quotes Abigail is making from "A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs by David Bercot", a little research shows the following facts:

"David W. Bercot, an Anglican priest and an attorney, graduated from Stephen F. Austin State University and Baylor University School of Law. He is the author of Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up and is a member of the North American Patristics Society."

Some interesting comments from a few of the readers who make excellent points:

"And among the many citations of Tertullian in the book, there is no information about when they were made (before or after his conversion), so the profane reader is given some texts of Tertullian saying that prophecy ceased with the apostolic times in the entry "prophecy" and the opposite in the entry on "montanism". So another problem is that one cannot make much with all these citations taken out of their context. Profane readers are being mislead if they think that they learn much with such a book, they will rather grossly misinterpret the citations and build erroneous views." and

"A third major problem with the book is that all texts have no references to the original books and verses , but only to the pages in Robert's Antenicenes Fathers from the same publisher (10 volumes!)"

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News Item12/28/07 11:04 AM
JD  Find all comments by JD
Walt wrote:
If anyone would like to read a very short and basic overview of the early church errors and contemporaries
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but [this] one thing [I do], forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Oh, if Walt, who lives in the past, could only grasp hold of this principle!!!!!!!

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News Item12/28/07 10:21 AM
PreacherJonD.  Find all comments by PreacherJonD.
Abigail wrote:
I did not say Christians are meant to be incapable of sinning. I said Christians are to strive to cease from sin.
Now this I can agree wholeheartedly with-Amen!! And if one who professes to be born again does not live their life in continual repentance and striving to put away sin, then they don't have the Spirit of God dwelling in them.

But to say that Christians are sinless after being born again is a false doctrine.

Now,-- God gives us the gift of His Spirit to enable us to live this kind of Christian life, in repentance and obedience, but it cannot be something that we do of ourselves, then it becomes works. If we do this then we are saying that God saved us, but its up to us to keep it by being obedient.

This is not what God's Word says, it is He who keeps us. If we could lose it,we would be lost all the time for we sin without even knowing we sin, we HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT SIN SINCE WE"VE BEEN BORN, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO SIN UNTIL WE DIE.

Boy, we had better throw away our car keys if we can lose it. We better stay home, rather than go out and witness and have somebody cuss us for in that very next instant, we would be lost!!

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News Item12/28/07 9:17 AM
Walt | Michigan  Find all comments by Walt
If anyone would like to read a very short and basic overview of the early church errors and contemporaries, this is a link to give you not even a small pin hole into a tremendous amount of historical testimony. The select quotes Abigail is using are hand selected by Arminians to justify their arguments that man has no original sin. This is not what these men taught in all their writings!

http://apuritansmind.com/HistoricalTheology/PatristicPeriod.htm

"As a result of the impact of already existing philosophical systems that had some truth to them but were riddled with error, men like Justin Martyr and Clement of Alexandria adopted methods of incorporating philosophical ideas into presentation against various non-Christian views of ultimate reality. Jesus Christ is the divine Logos from which all true wisdom comes. Anything that is good and true in philosophy can be used by the Christian because it represents that which is true and good as truth. Tertullian, on the other hand, wanted to create a dividing wall between philosophy and Christianity since most of what is espoused in philosophy is heresy."

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News Item12/28/07 5:23 AM
Walt | Michigan  Find all comments by Walt
Abigail,

You will now begin posting quotes from Catholic dictionaries as fast as you do Scripture passages.

You are bluring the distinction between the ideas of free will, free agency and (what the theologians call) "the power of contrary choice."

Justin Martyr was absolutely consistent to what Calvinists teach when he concluded the passage you quoted, "I have proved in what has been said that those who were foreknown to be unrighteous, whether men or angels, are not made wicked by God’s fault. Rather, each man is what he will appear to be through his own fault."

Again, Abigail, posting a bunch of quotes from Arminian web sites, or Catholic dictionaries is as foolish as you posting a bunch of Scripture passages without understanding what you are saying, or what the author is saying.

I see you quote very small sections of people's quotes on here, and take them entirely out of context to try to make your point. If you can take someone's quote out of context on here, what makes you think that other Arminians are not doing the same?

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News Item12/28/07 4:52 AM
GK  Find all comments by GK
Abigail wrote:
It is only he who has accepted in adoring submission and obedience the command 'Be perfect' [Matthew 5:48] who can hope to know what the perfection is that God asks and gives.
earlier you said.....

Abigail wrote:
"I did not say Christians are meant to be incapable of sinning. I said Christians are to strive to cease from sin. They are to strive to be like Jesus Christ.
by perfection,I am assuming you mean sinless perfection......

I detect a contradiction in your argument.You are either perfect or you are not.If you are perfect,you must by implication therefore be "incapable of sinning"

Of course,there is but one who is perfect.....

You didn't answer my question-are you a mormon?

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News Item12/28/07 4:32 AM
Abigail | Oregon  Contact via emailFind all comments by Abigail
GK wrote

"if Christians are meant to be incapable of sinning,how do you explain Hebrews "
____

I did not say Christians are meant to be incapable of sinning. I said Christians are to strive to cease from sin. They are to strive to be like Jesus Christ.

Christian—follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike.

Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest **keep them from the evil**.

Saint—undefiled from the world. Sacred, physically pure, morally blameless, consecrated.

Holy—Same

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, **holy**, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be **saints**: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be **saints**, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the **saints**,

In the lov

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