Please do pray for the very imperfect President Donald Trump and all those in his administration, along with other weak and imperfect politicians (FIRST THAT THEY GET SAVED!) to have the strength to stand up and speak out and do what is right (you might want to pray for weak knee'd pastors in this as well)

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Another Michael, please take note

I do hope you know blacks, browns and whites make up those committing Antifa-type assaults, disruptions and violent attacks. "Editing": Sometimes in black neighborhoods against black business

Here is a heartbreaking one for you, among those going into the local abortion clinic here yesterday, a black mother (I am assuming here, in her 30's) taking in (by appearence) her underage teenage daughter (right along with a whole bunch of thoroughly and deliberately depraved white folks) to terminate by death her own granddaughter ... and you want to preach to me about and white racism

Connor7 wrote:
Michael, your thoughts concerning modern day Calvinist are...interesting to say the least, but here are some modern day Calvinist that might change your opinion:

More than one individual including a pastor who belittles prayer because it doesn't really matter to them because everything is already predestined and to them prayer changes nothing ... one Pastor I suspect because of other things is one who won't even pray for the salvation of his own parents.

And I don't want to forget the camp of regeneration before and totally independent from hearing the word of God, having godly sorrow over their guilt and the intimately personal choice being drawn by God to do so, to accept/believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior

Your list is bit of a mixed bag of Calvinists/Reformed, notable to me Durbin likes Ray Comfort; Washer likes Leonard Ravenhill.

Here were I live there is concern, local Antifa (or Antifa type groups) are planning violence against
Police
First Responders
Churches
Conservatives and Christians

Some are urging that responsible level headed law abiding individuals obtain lawful firearms, training and permits to carry, as part of their lives, to protect innocent unarmed targets of violent assault if an unthinkable attack happens

UK Christian wrote:
He saw no conflict preaching the Doctrines of Grace and His Jesus, as both Biblical.

Never met Spurgeon ... yet.
Until then what I know of this imperfect servant of the Lord Jesus Christ is this,
many of his sermons, various biographies people have made about his life (which often emphasize different aspects of his life)

Some things I have found different with him in contrast to many modern day Calvinists

Prayer
Open-air preaching
Helping the poor
Especially his Christ-centered preaching
(NOT 5 Point centered)

Calvinism seems to have not been a litmus test for those he would associate with, such as DL Moody

And as much as I like him, as much as God has used his ministry in my life, for conscience sake I would differ with this well beloved cigar smoking preacher somewhat on music.

Christopher000 wrote:
Ok, thanks Michael.

Christopher000 wrote:
Michael, I think you confused me with Connor. I'm sure Connor is honored and thrilled, but for myself, I forgive you in advance for thinking I was him...ha-ha.
Connor, haven't forgotten about you, buddy...will get back to you shortly.

John for JESUS wrote:
I said maybe you .....

There is way too much in this issue to answer in a brief post.

Now this is my opinion/observation:
Some, THANK GOD, not all who call themselves "5 Point Calvinists" have, in my words here hijacked certain Biblical Doctrines, complication and twisting them, in an attempt to foist there version of Calvinism upon others, viewing themselves as the only genuine true Christians, to them all others a wrong or worse of Satan (leads to some serious persecution if you go against them; think: the execution of Mary Dryer a Quaker, June 1, 1660 (no endorsement of Quakers intended)

Enormously different from leading people to saving faith and devotion to Jesus Christ, to know Him personally for themselves, to love Him, serve Him in what He has called them to, NOT what the religious elite dictate to them.

Brief advise, seek to be Biblical, immerse yourself in Scripture, believe and do what God says to you, even if certain Calvinists have a cow.

Connor 7 wrote:
... you've not dealt with my criticism of your view of the love of God, and you've not answered my previous question in respect to, "Can the natural man decide to love God?"
So, can you answer the question, ...?"

Do you not know or have forgotten the Lord Jesus Christ was criticized as being a friend of sinners, in my words here, He was someone who genuinely loved and cared for them, so much so He regularly spent time with them, even ...

Thank You, John for Jesus

... to weeping over Jerusalem. I seem to remember a Calvinist of a different sort (George Whitefield) doing the same thing over people he preached to, weeping for them.

Quite likely things the natural man does not understand. And like how unregenerate religious experts fail to comprehend (they cannot)

Mr b wrote:
What a sad display. That coffee shop owner is going to regret every abominable word he spoke against the Lord. I am truly truly saddened at the spiritual state of our nation. I pray for that mans salvation. Anyone going to hell isnt a good thing. God have mercy on not just that man , but upon anyone who’s heart is far from You, awaken the pulpits across america, awaken fellow believers. This is eternal life and death. In Jesus name, amen

Connor 7 wrote:
He's thrown a red herring,

Here is where I thoroughly disagree, and so should you, with the interpretation "the world" in John 3:16 is only the elect. It is found in the very next verse:

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." John 3:17

the words "might be" contrast considerably with "that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

Connor 7 wrote:
Michael, that wasn't documentation, documentation would be something like,

Yes, I already know some/many calling themselves Calvinists are famous for evangelizing ... ones like Spurgeon pointing men to Christ and exhorting them to believe on Him.
While others whom I have personally met are an entirely different sort who might 'break their neck to force someone into their version of Calvinism and exhibit a depraved indifference for the salvation of the lost who come to know, love, follow and serve Jesus Christ; and sometimes even a hostility to someone who by the sovereign grace of God has actually found the Messiah and loves Him.

And lest you forget others, non-Calvinists, also evangelize. Ever hear of DL Moody? AW Tozer? Paris Reidhead? Leonard Ravenhill? Ray Comfort?

Kev wrote:
Another Michael. Scripture interprets scripture. Who is the world in John 3:16?

So He loves them all
Only those who believe will not perish and have eternal life.

Connor 7 wrote:
Michael, where does Pink holds to the position that God hates everyone but the elect? Can you give documentation so I can look it up?
Is David Allen still the president of the SBC? If so I'll post a link to a...very interesting review of the John 3:16 conference they had awhile back ago.

I don't know who is President of the SBC right now ... it certainly isn't Voddie Baucham nor Paul Washer

Wayfarer Pilgrim wrote:
Stick to the Bible, and don't go down worm holes of this and that;

The BAPTIST C.H. Spurgeon called himself a Calvinist BUT to his credit sought to convert people to Jesus Christ NOT Calvin quite unlike the modern day Calvinists who hold more to a Pink version of Calvinism (God hates everybody but the elect) than a soul winning one like that of Spurgeon.

“If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.”
― Charles H. Spurgeon

Adriel wrote:
Abortion is murder.

Abortion is state run serial killings of innocent babies.

As horrible and heartbreaking the shooting in Las Vegas is; we have a much deeper problem that gun control, living in a dictatorial police state will never solve.

Only the Gospel of Jesus Christ has the Power to change men's hearts from sin, and the love of sin to righteousness and a love for righteousness, a delight in doing the will of God.

So let's indeed weep with those who weep
and PRAY
and Go Preach/Witness the Gospel of the Kingdom of the Son of the Living God
make disciples
baptize them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

Lady_Virtue wrote:
Good question. I'm troubled by the loyalty some people have for a church or a denomination even when its disregard of and disobedience to the Bible is so blatantly obvious.

You and others might like this ... until a person is genuinely born-again of the Spirit of the Living God they cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God.

IMHO our failure to appreciate the Great Commission and go and make disciples is where we have been missing it for years. Imposing an Outward Form of "Christianity" on others, to compel them to behave, simply hasn't been working, especially with people who "self-identify" as Christians like Modern Day Methodists and Ecumenical Roman Catholics suppressing the reality they have a desperate need of the new birth.

Ignominious Emirakan wrote:
Interesting following your posts-
And
Been keeping you in prayer-
&
And, as I pulled out my copy of Erasmus's

Lurker wrote:
God simply passed over those who were not His.... who He did not foreknow.... who were not given to His Son to redeem in time. He simply left them to their own devices and they will receive their just reward on judgment day.'

Have you not read ... Good and upright is the LORD, therefore He instructs sinners in the way. Psalm 25:8

Since some are found of quoting Spurgeon it might be good for them to consider this:

“If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.”
― Charles H. Spurgeon

Oh! And I wonder how many who loudly profess election and predestination, would like this one