John UK wrote: Brother I watched the follow up video by Ryan Fullerton
Who is this Ryan Fullerton, anyway? Seems to me like he's a young preacher who is following Jesus Christ.
[URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlIeNz5vIcE]]]JESUS: Friend of Sinners[/URL]
Brother John UK, Wales Ryan Fullerton is a Baptist Pastor in Kentucky; happy he is proving to be a blessing to you.
he is famous to me for: The Value of Sinners, Prostitutes and Drunkards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mZsHUs7UsE
and his series on Biblical Manhood & Biblical Womanhood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq3T9-gYunc
It is preachers like him who are Biblically worth the listening to Proverbs 22:17-21
Dr. Tim wrote: "He that loveth not his BROTHER abideth in death."
Is that some KJV Onlyism showing?
So, let me ask you a question, if you don't mind: Has KJV Onlyism brought you to thoroughly faithfully love Jesus Christ, and the so imperfect, sinful, hell deserving ones He died to save? Do you show this love to them, and yes! to the brethren in such a way they know you love them, and more importantly that Jesus loves them?
My dear friend don't we need to 2 Tim 2:15 kjv "Study to..."
If you are willing, the issue is better stated in Scripture:
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 1 Cor 15:3,4
Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, Hebrew 5:8,9
Why do you call me āLord, Lord,ā and not do what I tell you? Luke 6:46
What might that be?
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 1 Timothy 1:5,6
Do not be surprised brethren, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed out of death and into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. 1 John 3:13,14
Smell TULIPs? Or Fall on one's face before Jesus Christ who died on the Cross and rose again to save sinners and Worship Him
Kev 'Elect according to the foreknowledge of God', is a beautiful verse for any genuine born again believer, who knows quite well the words of Jesus, 'you did not chose Me, but I chose you.'
By the way, you might reconsider; Scripture can be abused as a stumbling block ... isn't this one of the things Satan attempted on Jesus when he tempted Him in the wilderness?
And didn't the Pharisees and Sadducees abuse Scripture and from time to time throw Scripture and their interpretation of it in Jesus face?
"And the angel said to them, āFear not, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:10
Kev wrote: See more of Another Michaels underhanded jabs saying we want people to āconfess Calvinā substituting Calvin for Christ. What a wicked comment! This answers what Another Michael is saying. He thinks that the Doctrines of Grace is some man made doctrine and he is the one who knows Christ and we just know Calvin. Then he gives verse implying that we are messengers of Satan who come disguised as angels of light. Then he claims we try to push away anyone who is not a āCalvinistā just because we correct him with scriptures.
No Kev, it is wicked to put a stumbling block in a brothers way.
Since you claim to be Scriptural and hold to the DOG, would you mind reading this verse that is important to this non-Calvinist:
"By Silvanus, a faithful brother as I regard him, I have written briefly to you, exhorting and declaring that this is the true grace of God. Stand firm in it." 1 Peter 5:12
"... true grace of God. Stand firm in it." I sure hope you don't have a problem with this.
I think for the while I'll pay more attention to what Peter, who personally walked with Jesus, and by the Spirit wrote than those claimed to be the real experts in Scripture who came after 1517 like 1618 to 1619.
NeedHim wrote: Another Michael; I miss read what you said about Pastor Jeff, I thought you were saying he wouldn't accept a non-Calvinist, I retract, from saying you were wrong, respectfully. What did you mean by your TULIP & few with Christ? I don't want to assume in what you are trying to derive from that last part of your response towards me?
NeedHim Thank you! I have already watched the video and if memory serves have posted references to it on SA
Jeff Durbin and Ray Comfort probably serve as good as anything in what I am talking about. They both love Jesus, they both want to help and encourage each other in living for Jesus Christ and reaching the lost; and abortion is certain a very important and major Gospel issue to both of them (not the only one but one that is heart breaking for the born again Christians); I would call this bringing Christ to each other.
Jeff did not go after Ray to make him a good Calvinist, and Ray did not have to defend himself against a onslaught of proof texts, let alone one with hostile intent to drive him away unless he confessed Calvin.
Personally, I thank God for Spurgeon, I don't want anyone, to drive me away from him, because if I hold things he teaches, and do, I might ruin "their" DOG
NeedHim wrote: Another Michael; Spurgeon encouraged others to get into the Word, & allow the Word of God, to pour into their lives, & soak into ...
If anyone should ask me what I mean by a Calvinist, I should reply, āHe is one who says, Salvation is of the Lord.ā I can't find in Scripture any other doctrine than this. It is the essence of the Bible.
Dear NeedHim Your post you gives me the impression that Pastor Spurgeon believed "Salvation is of the Lord" what a beautiful statement
So let me ask you a question ... Why then did Pastor Spurgeon not have a problem accepting DL Moody as a brother, Why would a Calvinist such as Paul Washer speak favorably with someone he would call an Arminian like Leonard Ravenheill or Jeff Durbin have no problem fellowshiping with a non-Calvinist like Ray Comfort?
Could it possibly be that even as you have said, "Salvation is of the Lord" and these men recognized that in each other
After all Scripture is pretty clear, 'he who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son does not have life'
Did these men heed Proverbs 6:16-19 & 2 John 1:9-11 & even 3 John 1:9-11
NeedHim, I find a lot of people coming to me with their T.U.L.I.Ps; few with Christ
NeedHim wrote: Another Michael; Spurgeon or any other sinner, who has been spiritually adopted, through the only means, that Salvation is truly of the Lord alone. Sinners who have become saints, in a Non-Roman Catholic meaning, are at the end of the day, while on Earth, are finite human beings. Who aren't perfect or without their own sin issues to deal with. But Michael, do you have a problem that Spurgeon, wasn't ashamed of calling Him self a Calvinist? In which Spurgeon clearly taught that His "creed" was "Christ. As he clearly, taught that salvation only comes by the regenerating power of the Triune God alone & no other means ever; Jhn 6:37, V-44 & 65.
NeedHim I am going to attempt to be polite here But honestly have you ever really read my posts to even ask if I have a problem with Spurgeon?
What genuine born again believer would have any problem with a pastor such as CH Spurgeon whose Church was famous for prayer, who continually preached Christ, even open air, loved the poor, wanted his preaching understandable to children; plead with people to believe on Christ
If Spurgeon grossly failed in one area IMHO it is this: Spurgeon failed to impose his Calvinism on others against their conscience
John UK wrote: That's the way of it, brother. Say, do I remember you had a great article on the Diotrephes Syndrome? I was trying to find it the other day, but I'd lost all my bookmarks. It sure opens the eyes as to what is going on in some churches, and even forum groups. If any are unsure as to why I feel compelled to stop attendance at this church, it is because it hinders evangelism; you are not permitted to seek to convert other members of the group! I have had this problem umpteen times over the years.
The Diotrephes Syndrome: A Strategy for Using Church Discipline as a Weapon
[editting] Here locally we face the same kind of things with the Pro-Life movement
The ecumenical group opposes the preaching of the Gospel because that might offend RCs; or use language that calls abortion murder and the pleads with parents to not kill their babies
And the other ditch, a hyper groups that protests Churches that aren't abolitionist enough to meet their approval
Thank God there is a group that sees abortion as very much a Gospel issue, one of many; not the only one. Our church is one that is taking and growing in this
John UK wrote: Since seeing this on the website, I've taken it that the church is a FCC member, and so I will not go again. The only way to have freedom in evangelism is to be REALLY independent, where independent means independent.
Brother John It is sad but I can well identify there are some headed in a wrong direction that we must part company with
one side wants to seduce believers into ecumenical union with Rome another side wants to drive out believers because they [editting] don't meet "their" approval; even though Christ has accepted them. Romans 15:7
NeedHim wrote: One more good nugget from Spurgeon; If I had never joined a church till I had found one that was perfect, I should never have joined one at all. & the moment I did join it, if I had found one, I should have spoiled it, for it wouldn't have been a perfect church after I had become a member of it. Still, imperfect as it's, it's the dearest place on earth to us.
NeedHim What Spurgeon wrote sounds well and good Unfortunately that is not the whole story as, let's call them, "modern day Diotrephes" decide which genuinely saved believer is and is not permitted in Jesus' Church, imagining they are doing God service
9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. 10 Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church. 3 John 9,10
By the way the Beloved CH Spurgeon did not treat others this way, driving people away form Jesus, did he. If he did I surely missed it but what I didn't miss is how Spurgeon inevitably would preach Jesus Christ and urge people to believe in Him
John UK wrote: I am convinced that Christianity is a calling. We talk of repenting and believing and receiving Christ, but it really is simpler than all of that. 1 Corinthians 1:2 KJV (2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 1 Corinthians 1:9 KJV (9) God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Corinthians 1:26 KJV (26) For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 1 Thessalonians 2:12 KJV (12) That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. What a great wonder and delight it is to be called by the Living Christ, the real Jesus. All of our repentance comes short; our faith is often feeble; we say we receive Christ as Lord yet fail him in so many ways. But when God calls a sinner, makes him his son, justifies and sanctifies him, it is all a perfect work which will come to fruition. That is certainly worthy of a leap or two first thing in the morning.
Just a brief word of clarification In quoting Romans 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
I wasn't talking against you
It was for me, wanting to set the stage for the rest of my comment, as an enormous part of my testimony of conversion; as I was so opposed to God, Christians, obedience to God; so thoroughly in sin, my own wicked self-righteousness because as bad as I was I knew and excused myself in there are others worse than me who are really bad
It was God's goodness that, softened my wicked heart towards Him, gave me a willingness to listen to His word and ultimately in His doing led me to Repentance and Faith in Jesus Christ
Now replying to the rest of your comment It appears you are reading Scriptures to fit the theology AND DEFINITIONS (not yelling, emphasis) of Calvinism
Read my comments carefully; I do not believe sinners on their own/left to there own ever seek for God _ God draws them to
Read carefully I thoroughly believe Salvation is entirely by the Grace of God; but then the grace of God instructs us to .... see/remember Titus 2
I have "errands" so I'll ask you a question, will you accept the Salvation of non-Calvinists
Kev wrote: You and Another Michael arenāt so innocent as you guys like to makes yourselves out to be.
Kev You have certainly gotten one thing right (well maybe with you it is only partial)
I am thoroughly guilty of thanking / loving God for saving a thoroughly wretched sinner such as myself
and HINT: My testimony of Conversion / Salvation has everything to do with A Holy and Entirely Sovereign God drawing me by His Spirit and by the Providential Witness of those who told me the Truth of Jesus Christ; leading me to buy and read for myself (Calvin's Institutes? NO!) a Bible; stunning me with the humbling Biblical reality
God loved me out of His own nature and character to do so, NOT because I in least deserved it
That He had His Precious Holy Only Begotten Son, innocent and guiltless to die for me, who had horribly sinned against Him, willingly shedding His blood for me who deserved nothing from God except His wrath
So that I might have His gift, eternal life
And I am still guilty if that is the right word of desiring to learn and grow up in Christ to be and do all He saved me for; something a whole lot deeper than playing religious theology to pin others down
NeedHim wrote: The question is who actually will come
Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? Rom 2:4
As already commented the article is well written; However it is heavily loopsided towards the writer's theology
Some questions to be studied: Is regeneration salvation? Can a person be regenerated without being saved?
Does God have the ability to speak to and teach unregenerate sinners? Psalm 25:8 (Now indeed the secret, the intimacy of the LORD is for those who fear (honor) Him and He will make them know ...)
Or is salvation regeneration?
IMHO this kind of "Theology" essentially might be said to say, For be Regeneration are ye saved and that not of yourselves so you have no responsibility (maybe even no requirement) to repent and believe to be saved
Yet God who is completely sovereign in Salvation by the Spirit through Paul tells us, the Gospel is the Power of God for Salvation to everyone who believes, and later faith comes by (regeneration? or) by hearing and hearing by the word of God
therefore be careful how you hear/listen Matthew 13; 23:37 Mark 4 Luke 8 will bear on who believes and who doesn't
John UK wrote: You mentioned the religious people who opposed our blessed Lord Jesus, whom we both love and serve, gladly and willingly ...
Brother John Sometimes; no that is not right, more often that we would like, they (modern day Pharisees, Hypocrites) seek to "pin us down" to what they demand our faith to be or not be; making it difficult to show them the love of God like we would like to, but instead have to weep over how hurtful they can be because they imagine themselves to be so right, even to treating with contempt some who love Jesus as if they were evil
So many we remember 1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. Hebrews 12:1-3
John UK wrote: It's a good question, brother. Go to 7.23 mins at: (watch out for the pulpit slapping!) [URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saXKL_eMFVM]]]Just who is the false prophet?[/URL]
Brother John Lot's of questions to wade and work through here
Does a "preacher" have a right to post his "sermons" on YouTube or even here on SA?
Do we have the right to examine everything he claims by Scripture and all the evidence claimed for or against someone? Doing this humbly in the fear of God, taking log (or a whole forest of them) out of our own eyes first is a very good starting point for us
Do we have a right to hold to the good/true and throw away the bad/false? Here is where the Scribes and Pharisee, Hypocrites will get upset and seek to mislead/deceive and lead us astray as they demand everything must be without question "their way (religious tradition)"
I am not certain but if my memory is correct this "preacher" is also condemning of using Gospel tracts; my thought here is we so need to guard against falling under the influence of any who shut up the kingdom of God from men
Personally I will not condemn the preacher J____ ______ does for the Gospel he has preached, but I had to part company with this celebrity's ecumenism
John UK wrote: ... He says that the reason Preacher Blah Blah is a false teacher is because he includes repentance as part of the gospel, namely that a sinner must turn from sin, and be sorry for sin. He calls this a "work", therefore cannot be true. ...
Brother John UK Wales And in your report just who is the false prophet
Reminds me that Jesus exhorted us: See that no one leads you astray (deceives, misleads) Matthew 24:4
Which is quite compelling when you look at the flow of context that Jesus had just excoriated the Scribes and Pharisee, hypocrites! Who were guilty of shutting up the Kingdom of Heaven against men and laying burdens on others they won't touch themselves, having a convenient double standard; even while they gave great approval to each other and ganged up against anyone going against their "religious tradition"
Let me say this, when someone who professes to be a Calvinist (or non-Calvinist) says something thoroughly good, believe him for example, "Grace is not opposed to work/effort, grace is opposed to merit; and grace ought to motivate a great pursuit of God and His will for us."
The Quiet Christian wrote: All well and good, but how are we going to get the Gospel onto college campuses?
Dear QC Go
Let your pastor know what you are up to, have him mentor, help and intercede for you so you can go both as a representative of Jesus Christ and your local church
Die to self, to self peservation Find out where visitor parking is Take some tracts/literature you can give away
AND your Bible
Go get a coffee or tea in the campus cafeteria sit down and talk with students and faculty and get to know them
Have a note book where you can write down matters to pray about for whatever is going on in their lives
Afterwards talk to your pastor again, learn from your visit and as the Lord gives opportunity, go do it again ... maybe bring one or two willing born again church members with you, and continue to build a real relationship with those you are meeting, especially telling the gospel in the most understandable words the Holy Spirit will lead you to use
Just some thoughts of an evangelist in continual training "editing" If you do not have such a pastor in your church, you might want to pray the Lord lead you to one that has; and in the mean time find some burdened for the lost for watchcare
Norm wrote: I agree with you, anothermichael, and have often told people that Easter is more important. Christ's resurrection shows that He has power, authority, and VICTORY OVER DEATH. Furthermore, what could possibly be more inclusive than celebrating the birth of the One who died for the WHOLE WORLD.
Norm Just read your post as it has been a bit busy here today.
I love your comment of what could possibly be more inclusive (or uniting everyone of us born of the Spirit of God) than celebrating the birth of the One who died for the WHOLE WORLD.
Was able to talk a bit to a Roman Catholic lady in a car repair shop today. We had a good conversation and I was able to give her "As Wonderful as Christmas Is ....."
It is a blessing to have and be able to give tracts like that away.