Ladybug wrote:
Michael Hranek
You have no understanding of the God of the bible - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44

You already know the relationship of Christ with His Christ is likened to a man with his Bride

You used the word draw - a good word
Other words can be used
Court
Woo
Win the heart of

Ladybug wrote:
Sinners are dull, sinners reject, sinners disobey, sinners rebel.

Sinners do hate the light, even as fools despise wisdom and instruction

I'll leave you all with this:
Romans 1:14-2:3 flows into
Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness (goodness) is meant to lead you to repentance?
Romans 2:4

Kev wrote:
Who hardens the heart and stops the ears and gives a spirit of slumber to men? God does according to his word. I know that enraged you.
Romans 11:8

Including
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Isaiah 66:5

And BTW don't flatter yourself as your "I know that enraged you" didn't

Ladybug wrote:
You respond with links
How about using the Bible Michael H.

Will you break my heart and do the same with this:
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
John 13:34,35

You accuse me of sidetracking the issue; but Scripture doesn't because:

Jesus Himself saying
“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 22:37-40

In light of this reality it ought to be no surprise the Holy Spirit moved Paul to write:
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.

Ladybug wrote:
Michael Hranek
Let's stop with the rabbit trails

In my words here you seem to speak much of the Sovereignty of God, and He completely and entirely sovereign but show IMHO little reverence or love, if at all, towards Him or often to those He died to save.

Tell you what watch/listen to these songs and consider just what kind of love and real truth you have or don't in your belief system [Hint: Jesus does say take the log out of your own eye first_my words here: or you might be jello]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jABcYKhDrI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bus6j8tFXM8

The Steeple Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkHmmEPejQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHtWhnZU2Xo

Again you claim to follow Christ, well can you learn from His servants or not?
So I would you recommend listen to:

Five Steps to Genuine Revival
by Dr. Ian Paisley
https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=6723

And critique his sermon and inform all of us of how Biblical or not you see it.

Kev wrote:
AM your comment made no sense at all

[editing]
And then you compound your error/mistake claiming/accusing me of emotions you might find fault with

Ladybug wrote:
Michael Hranek
I don't follow Paisley, I follow Christ. The context of 1 John is not the present issue is it?
We are not discussing revival, we are discussing your views that Christ died for all, and your statement that sinners refuse to obey, believe, etc.

You have just claimed to follow Christ. Is that correct? Did I read you clearly?

So, you would claim to believe Jesus? That He knows and tells us the Truth, right? And He is the One the Father sent to save sinners, right?

“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.”

[Why, Jesus?]

For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn [repent], and I would heal them.’
Matthew 15:14,15

Ladybug you keep saying things like its 'because they are predestined to', 'because they are not of the elect' while Jesus Christ says its because their hearts have grown dull.

Ladybug wrote:
Another Michael
It's strange how you

Five Steps to Genuine Revival
by Dr. Ian Paisley
https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=6723
Which is one of a much listened to and commented SA's must hear starters

Why is that?

BTW the whole context about 1 John 1:7 says,

5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 1:5-10

Rodney K. wrote:
Did Christ die for the sin of not obeying the Gospel?

And please don't get too upset with me because there are men who identify themselves as Calvinists and AVists who were famous for praying for lost sinners to come to believe the Gospel and be saved and know God for themselves

One of SA's must hear starters is:
Five Steps to Genuine Revival
by Dr. Ian Paisley
https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=6723

Connor7 wrote:
Been busy. Another Michael, you said in response to my question,

"Connor7 Because they reject the Truth, because they hate and reject the Son; because they do not have the Son; because they hear but do not act upon His words; because they do not obey the Gospel and do not do the will of the Father; to believe in the Name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as He has commanded us."

Now Michael, we've run into a theological issue

In answer to your prayer question

Did you notice you actually did not respond to the Scriptural validity of my answer to you?

Also did you notice you did not respond to the premise of my question on prayer and how prayer can be intimately interrelated to sinners being turned back to God _ which gets to the heart of things theological if you will. Is God really experientially knowable for any born again child of God, or only those of elite scholarship?

I think it is safe to say the Lord Jesus Christ spoke to us of a Father who is intimately and wonderfully knowable not as an "abstract" and complicated set of theological priniciples

Ladybug wrote:
AM,
I see no point in continuing a conversation until you

Another Michael wrote:
My turn at "questions"
Does the effective fervent prayer of a righteous man avail much?
Is the example given of Elijah in the NT Book of James used in the context of Elijah's praying, a man with a nature like ours, tied to a supernatural turning the hearts of the people back to the LORD their God?
Quote:
If any church desire that people believe the Gospel, that church must be a praying church
End of Quote

Is the example given of Elijah in the NT Book of James; whom the Lord Jesus Christ would not just have know about, but knows personally; used by the Holy Spirit for our benefit, for doctrine, Elijah's praying; a man with a nature like ours, tied to a supernatural turning the hearts of the people back to the LORD their God?

Ladybug wrote:
AM
You avoided the questions, so let's try again. What causes a sinner to love darkness, reject the gospel, refuse to repent and believe? Please try to stay on topic.
I have another question, have you ever posted here using another moniker? If so, what was that moniker?

Then I used my real name until times and circumstances made it a choice to drop my broadcaster status

So recently it has been "Another Michael" as there are other Michaels who post

Back to my questions/comments on prayer:
Of the different things Jesus did on this earth have you ever considered:

He who knows True Theology, the Absolute Sovereignty of God, God's Almighty Power, His Faithfulness to watch over and fulfill His word, God's will, desires and ways, the Fear of the Lord in the best sense of the word, the Law of God, His Commandments, Promises and Warnings, the Reward of Heaven and the terror of the hell, people as they really are better than any of us; spent the major portion of His time Praying

Ladybug wrote:
Why do they not hear? Why do they not obey? Why do they refuse to believe?

Is the example given of Elijah in the NT Book of James used in the context of Elijah's praying, a man with a nature like ours, tied to a supernatural turning the hearts of the people back to the LORD their God?

Connor7 wrote:
if Jesus bore the wrath of God for everyone, why does anyone go to Hell?

Scripture, God Himself telling us:
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.
1 John 2:1-6

Another Michael wrote:
But circumstances here are bearing on a need from some genuine Church disciple

To apply Christopher's being clear
I was commenting on an issue here locally in the area I live in as a matter needing genuine church discipline

not being punished for one's "crime" is one thing

being restored to be welcomed and accepted to sit and eat at the King's table, whom one has offended is another thing entirely, needing much grace, mercy, wisdom, humility; a very real leading of the Holy Spirit

John UK wrote:
Mighty fine sermons, brother!
Hey, here's something to bless your heart and mine. Think, "...and they cast him out". John 9:34

What happens next? Oh this is joyful! And wonderful!

The very next verse tells us, "JESUS heard that they had cast him out". HE takes a definite interest. But better, "and when HE had found him..."

Oh, JESUS went looking for him.

But circumstances here are bearing on a need from some genuine Church disciple _ An area of faith that IMHO has been both neglected resulting in the failure to restore many who have gone astray or gotten off into sin OR the other ditch of like the Diotrephes Syndrome abusing Church disciple to drive someone away so they never come back

IMHO God's reproofs and rebukes are designed and meant for the restoration of sinners and backsliders and we so need God's wisdom in these things [Who wants to be restored to people who hate you?] and of course who dares to nurse a wounded dog back to health who is trying to bite you.

John UK wrote:
As I've said before, if anyone would care to quote me directly

Brother John, I am not a fan of RC Sproul but I have to acknowledge some of his comments are very much a blessing to me that I can live with as a non-Calvinist seeking by the grace of God to follow Jesus. Here are two as example of a man I trust to one day to meeting in heaven where everyone of us will have beautiful holy agreement in Worshipful 'Christology' (if that is the right word for those seeing Jesus face to face)

R.C. Sproul- Does God Really Want All People To Be Saved?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB0H5LO20SE

RC Sproul - What's Wrong With You People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP4A3C3E4Cs

John UK wrote:
Sounds a little bit like communism. Or trying to take away the freedom to be me, to say what I will. It's very bad.

"I have told you already, and you would not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you also want to become His disciples?
John 9:27

Well John it appears not being able to shut him up these pre-Diotrephes Jews just had to threw him out of "their" synagogue, but his fearful/cowardly(?) parents were still there, weren't they

John UK wrote:
Yes, a disciple is to become as his Teacher.

sinners .... might say that we remind them every day of...

...JESUS.

To be His disciple we must overcome the fear of man, especially religious Pharisees, and personally know/own the Fear of God. IMHO this is so important the Spirit moved Paul to write: If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ

One example of being sabotaged by the fear of being driven away by men is this:

The Jews did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight, until they called the parents of the man who had received his sight and asked them, “Is this your son, who you say was born blind? How then does he now see?” His parents answered, “We know that this is our son and that he was born blind. But how he now sees we do not know, nor do we know who opened his eyes. Ask him; he is of age. He will speak for himself.” (His parents said these things because they feared the Jews, for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone should confess Jesus to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.) Therefore his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.”
John 9:18-24

John UK wrote:
Romans 8:29 KJV
(29)  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.