DD wrote:
It has been said

'Get thee behind me, Satan' was a bit harsh to Simon Peter, don't you think? So did that mean Jesus didn't love him?

'I am about to spew (vomit) you out of My mouth' seems a bit harsh to the Church of the Laodiceans, and it is simply not the language one would rightly expect Jesus would use with saved individuals, is it?

But don't stop there as it is written:
(18) I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.
(19) Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent.
(20) Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.
Revelation 3:18-20

I don't know about you but I will take it Jesus Himself just told these "Religious Hypocrites" that He still loves them and they desperately need to repent or the consequences will be truly terrible for them.

DD wrote:
Those who oppose the Truth of the Gospel described by (for space here) the 'DOG'

And one would be correct to wrestle with matters of:
1. The Depravity/Fallenness/Inability to Save one's self from sin
2. What terms does God have regarding those He saves (repentance & faith certain bear here)
3. The scope of the Availability of the Atonement and who by a personal Sovereign Work actually comes to "Have the Son" as in 1 John 5:9-13
4. Is God's grace totally irresistable or not (seems Scripture require us to deal with pride, humility, desire, acceptance, knowledge and CONSCIENCE and who God offers His grace to)
5. Is it that the saint persevers, or God wonderfully keeps those who belong to Him

Grace would also deal with issues of prayer, Bible study to handle accurate the Scripture, and of course Sola Scriptura and who actually is the Sole Authority on what Truth is and is not; and if one is willing what LOVE is or isn't as well

Another Michael wrote:
Living dangerously here
It is heartbreaking some will think they are believers, claim to be
but their lack of Love (the Greatest Commandment and the 2nd) will turn out to be a house built on sand
Reference
Matthew 7:13-27
I weep for them who take joy in hating the born-again children of God, and for that matter the lost as well

1 Thess 3:12,13

For anyone who is taking seriously the wonderful commandment of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to love others, the prayer the Spirit moved Paul to write:

(12) And may the Lord cause you to increase and abound in love for one another, and for all people, just as we also do for you;
(13) so that He may establish your hearts without blame in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.
1 Thess 3:12,13

John UK wrote:
Bro, it is a marvellous passage of scripture, full of helpful information, in leading a soul to Christ, and blessing the saints. This particular verse was used by an Irish preacher to illustrate the simplicity of Christianity, in my own conversion experience:
1 John 5:12 KJV
(12)  He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
It matters little where a person is converted, how they were converted, through whom they were converted, or which church was involved. The big question is: Do we have the Son of God or not?
And what does it mean to "have" the Son of God?
Romans 8:9 KJV
(9)  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
& Col 1:27

John UK wrote:
What an amazing Saviour is Jesus! Such love and grace! What a Great Light! He lightens every man that cometh into the world. Seeking and saving the lost through bent sticks like us.

Doesn't the Word of God, Scripture tell us:

(9) If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.
(10) He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.
(11) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
(12) He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
(13) These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:9-13

It might be really unsafe/get one stoned to say: Show me anyone who twists a straight up in context reading of Scripture is simply wrong.

John UK wrote:
Oh, a sort of ecumenism between those who believe the doctrines of grace and those who preach against the doctrines of grace.
Yes, I see now. Thank you.

His Blood matters!
And if you are good enough or bad enough that He had to go to Calvary to purchase your salvation, who in the world (or would hell be a more descriptive word) to think you are just not good enough for me?

And I trust the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the Power of God for salvation (real change from the heart out) for anyone of us who believes, to be changed by God and for God

Now if I would accused you of anything I think it would be that you are guilty of believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died and rose again for a wretch like you (not trying to malign you, just give the reality of the matter)

B. McCausland wrote:
Repression of freedom of speech contributes to the making of a monochrome site, which in this case is of a neo-ultra-calvinist antinomian tendency, and this at the expense of anything, Christian character included.

And how the part of circumcision was attempting to force that on the Gentiles

ladybug wrote:
AM, your refusing to answer the questions tells all we need to know. Your tactics are the exact same as J.UK, strange.
Eph. 5:25 leaves NO doubt as to whom Christ died for and who He loves, it's summed up in ONE word --- 'the CHURCH'. Not nearly as complicated as the Arminians try to make it, it's impossible for them to utter the truth found in this verse alone, for it destroys the 'free will', and the universal new age 'god loves everyone and desires to save all and would, except for that pesky 'free will' thingy'. That text alone proves Finney, Arminius, the RCC/Jesuits, Billy and Franklin Graham and a whole HOST of others to be liars and deceivers.

Was that shedding of His blood for the Church, before or after they were the Church?

Would He refuse anyone, still a sinner, who trusted His Blood shed for them, to become added to His body?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8mOtjwDxWo

ladybug wrote:
I won't respond to any comments from J.UK or AM until either of you address the questions already on the table.

When the truth is we don't belong to you.
And since you've mentioned the Blood of Jesus Christ, you may not like this but I belong to Him, He purchased me lock, stock and barrel with His Precious Blood

I for one would kind of appreciate it, if you respected that fact

As to the Blood; I love talking about the Blood of Christ
I thank God for the Blood Jesus shed for a sinner like me

But at the moment I am about to leave the house so I will get back to you later.

AND If anyone would like to hear an excellent encouraging sermon on the BLOOD
let me recommend:

... having difficulty putting into words my appreciation to God for the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ given for my salvation .... the staggering humblying immeasurably important Truth that IMHO the Holy Spirit brings through C.H. Spurgeon in this sermon

Kev wrote:
Answer Ladybugs questions. If you don’t answer then I will just assume as I suspected that you are dishonestly handling the word of God and care not for truth.

Feel free to thoroughly read what I, this imperfect man has posted and examine it honestly with Scripture in context

and I trust if you are honest while I am not in the camp of Calvinists you will see the Truth does matter to me, and IMHO others as well who are not bowing to the interpertations dictated by "men" but certainly not caring for what men like PINK, or the RCC, or others have done with it

BUT far more important is the TRUTH IS IMPORTANT TO GOD; Him we should fear and love, trust and worship (serve) and we need to be born again and filled with and led by His Spirit (not Popes, Catholic or Protestant) in this

Rodney K. wrote:
@AM:
I thought that I had made myself clear concerning the 10 articles. But since you are asking again, let me try again to make my position clear.

As to "Calvinists" (or "Calvinist-types") there are some I thoroughly like such as C.H. Spurgeon, Paul Washer, Ryan Fullerton (2 of which the SBC would do well to hold onto and work with) but others who remind me too much of PINK whom I perfer to avoid Romans 16:17,18

Even "Calvinists" have problems with some self-identifying themselves as "Calvinists" here is an example:
http://www.romans45.org/articles/hypercal.htm

So, IMHO Sola Scriptura is great and wonderful

The next step (or one of) once one is born again is:
How to Read The Book: Thoughts & Counsels on Better Bible Reading by Brian Borgman here on SermonAudio
https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=723101624236

Kev wrote:
Isn’t that what I have seen you do time and again on here?

the example is of course:
John 3:14-16
God loves everyone and has provided Salvation for whoever believes
or
PINK God really doesn't love everyone, only the elect

IMHO what a terrible thing (PINK's interpretation to fit his version of Calvinism) to twist up the minds of 8-12 year olds with

Testimony: Having been raised RC, I am well aware spiritual dictators, Popes whether Catholic or Protestant really hate people getting a hold of Sola Scriptura for themselves, where their Loyalty is to Jesus Christ and the Word of God; not to any "Denomination" or Man made Systematic Theology (ism)

MS wrote:
Since Pastor Voddie was brought up..
His sermon ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYJkEFauZs

AND I have a bit of testimony to go along with this message ... if you are willing to hear it

Recently a woman, who has a brother in a Trinity denying and Hell denying cult, requested that I check out a meeting of this cult, she had received an open to anyone invitation to attend.

I went ... providential got there late as I was involved in a minor traffic incident where a man ran into the back of my car

This prevented me from speaking to anyone before walking in on the meeting already in progress

Their first speaker went essentially line by line and point by point through Voddie Baucham's message (not on Romans 9)

When he was through I confronted him, and he told me I had missed his giving full credit to Voddie's message, despite disagreeing with him on many things and how he liked what he said about the Scripture and thought it well worth repeating

Then do you know what happened with the second speaker?

John UK wrote:
Tell me what you think, brother.

(1) The Gospel Message he gave is IMHO very good, not perfect but very good

with words anyone with a heart to witness to the lost might rightfully listen to, think about, pray over and study the Scriptures to confirm, refine and make solid and sound our own telling of the Gospel

(2) Given by an imperfect and flawed messenger whose friendships and associations (and omissions in what he preaches; like warning of Rome) have contributed to hindering people in their faith or left them vulnerable to the exploitation of wolves in sheep's clothing. Primarily I am thinking the RCC and Protestant Liberals

I would present this message with a disclaimer, that the preacher is imperfect BUT the message, his pointing to the Cross and of Salvation in Jesus Christ is well worth the listening to. So, listen and don't stop there, go deep into the word of God

Ouch, this wasn't as brief as I initially thought ... God willing, I will be doing some thinking and praying and might add anything worthwhile that may need additional comment, later

John UK wrote:
Yes indeed bro. Is it often down to a faulty gospel, where sinners are not exhorted to make a decision? Jesus is clear enough:
Luke 14:25-33 KJV

But as hard hitting/convicting as Jesus' words are to us in the verses you quote, they are still words a child can understand without the need of a university level religious education

And the mark of a genuine disciple is of course LOVE

If I may be so audacious; all men will know we are "good dirt" (aka His disciples) by our Love for one another. John I fear/weep some have wandered away from this conviction taking captive their conscience

Some talk about "their will being freed in Christ," okay, is it? Let them show the truth or not of their theology in Love for God, His Word, His people, the Lost and even for their enemies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voTiUFOEMn8

John UK wrote:
"In any discussion of free will, it is important to always identify which of these broad kinds of free will is being discussed

1. Hard beaten down soil upon which the word of God has no effect can be hard for a variety of reasons. Sin but IMHO worse "Religious Tradition" like the Pharisees who were so set in their interpretation of the Scripture they might be called loveless hypocritical religious legalists out to impose their religion on others

2. Rocky Soil where hurtful, damaging persecution and opposition to the word of God cause/force/intimidate/bewitch a person to abandon the Truth they have heard for the fear of man; which then bears no fruit ... Love, Joy, Peace, Prayer, Zeal for the Gospel, Compassion on the lost to know Christ

3. Among thorns the word of God has been heard but is now choked out by others things, other desires/priorities and loves

ladybug wrote:
We should never get our truths from church creeds,

Did you read what you wrote ... never
Question: So would that also mean one should never get their "truth" from ... Calvin? Dhort? Pink?

Perhaps you might consider a little practicing of what you are preaching to others, maybe?

Rodney K. wrote:
The invitation to look was to all.
Only those who looked were healed.
Only those who willed to look, looked.
Only those who believed, willed to look.
Those who did not believe - did not will to look - did not look - were not healed.
How does this correspond to the gospel presentation:
The invitation is to all.
Only those who come to Christ are saved.
Only those who will to come, come.
Only those who believe, will to come.
The problem is, men are born unbelievers. Unless the Holy Spirit grants them faith, they do not believe - they do not will to come - they do not come - they are not saved.

http://sbctoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/A-Statement-of-Traditional-Southern-Baptist-Soteriology-SBC-Today.pdf

And see how close or not they might be to what you posted to me?

Are these "10" something you can live with in the lives of other Baptists/Christians
or do you see somekind of major heresy that has to be exposed and rooted out?

ladybug wrote:
Did you not address me because of my comment?

So my objection to your "teaching" isn't some kind of rabbit trail but simply an imperfect attempt to hold what Jesus actually says in John 3. If that isn't okay with you perhaps as a teacher you might want to check whether or not you are actually teaching and encouraging Sola Scriptura

BTW You might not think it, and honestly it isn't the easiest thing, but I still love you. You are a human being made in the image and likeness of God who Jesus Christ died for.

ladybug wrote:
Why don't you address the scriptures already given?

He is the One who said:
(14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
(15) that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
(16) For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:14-16

And even though Nicodemus mentions his inability to return to his mother's womb and be born physically all over again, in this passage there is no mention of the relationship of husbands and wives

But, and feel free to point it out if it isn't there, Jesus emphasizes how absolute essential it is that a person be born again.

Is that sufficient reason, for someone who presents themselves a teacher who seeks correct men, to comment on the brazen serpent?

Lurker, no it doesn't say everyone will be save but it does say those who believe, whoever believes