Backwoods Duck Farmer wrote:
You what's strange about racism? It's that all racists say they're the best and that all the problems on God's green earth come from the folks outside of their tribe. What it is a another lie from satan to distract us from the true problem: sin. In a natural state, every man, woman, and child is "voracious, perverse, and parasitic-like". The problem is fallen mankind, not particular groups of us. I suppose these ridiculous sort of discussions about white vs. black, or Mexican vs. american, or large noses vs. small noses, or Parisian vs. Berliner will continue 'til kingdom come. I'm grateful for the culture I was raised in, with the heritage I inherited, with the complexion I have, speaking the language I speak, in the southern region of the nation that I call home. I think everyone should thank God for the same. And for we who are born again, we can praise our Creator that we part of something so much greater and glorious than any of the other symbols, habits, amd genetic expressions that make us who we are - we are a part of the church of the living God. That body transcends any border, skin color, tribe or tongue. It's simply astonishing.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
No

Dr. Tim wrote:
Either SA has to get bigger type, or I will soon have to stop reading the news and posting comments.

Joel wrote:
We will be singing together in GLORY, brother! The SA garbage posters will still be posting garbage and posting and posting, but we will be singing the new song together with new voices in God’s very presence!

John for JESUS wrote:
John UK...
Okay, remain in your ignorance then, SMH. As I pointed out, God works in the hearts of all people. How does He do that? Oh yeah, the Word of God. We were talking about God and you got confused. My point was valid, God works in everyone’s heart through His word. Jesus was the Word and He was sent so that whosoever believes in Him will be saved.

However, I was able to translate it into: "Yes John, I concede that you are correct, and that Hebrews 4:12 is not referring to the Bible but to the Lord Jesus Christ.

What I want to know is, why did you not just say that?

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
John, at no time has this been a discussion about the merits of a government run healthcare. That’s a completely different topic that would be very difficult to cover in this type of forum given the character limitations. But you have described Cuba’s universal healthcare. UHC has the problem of limited resources and yes the wealthy are able to work around those limits and the not so wealthy are stuck dealing with those limits.

1. The extremely rich can afford to buy their own physician, their own X-ray machines, dialysis machine, etc etc. If you're not extremely rich, tough.

2. The moderately rich middle classes, if they need to have their appendix out, can afford to go private and pay for their treatment because they can afford it. People that cannot afford it, tough.

3. People who can afford to pay health insurance, let them do so, because if they have a medical emergency and need treatment, it is there on tap, payed for by their insurance company. People that cannot afford the insurance premiums, tough.

4. People can entrust their healthcare to guv-funded enterprises (like the NHS), who supply funding from the guv coffers. Very poor people, or the long term sick, have their payments made by the guv, and receive benefits such as housing etc. Every UK citizen is eligible to access the full range of health care, including doctors, dentists, nurses, opticians etc etc.

J4 wrote:
John UK...
You really need to read the Bible without all of the commentary.

I tell you what, you prove to me that Hebrews 4:12 is referring to the Bible, and then I will prove to you that it is not referring to the Bible. That way, we will know who is the heretic and who is correctly understanding the scriptures.

Hebrews 4:12 is not referring to the Bible but the Lord Jesus Christ - the Word of God. He quickens (gives life to) whomever he will.

It is the Spirit who convicts the world of sin, which he can do without the written word.

John 16:8-11 KJV
(8)  And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
(9)  Of sin, because they believe not on me;
(10)  Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
(11)  Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Mike wrote:
Maybe it's another word to be added to the fuzzy list, bro John. Until now I haven't engaged in this because I know how fruitless discussion can be when the common meaning of words isn't common. I was thinking that when I buy groceries, I might be tempted to make it seem innocuous if I said to myself, "Self, they are free at the point of use." After all, the point of use being the table, it doesn't cost me anything to actually eat them. But then I wonder if it would be for clarification, or in a strange way to make me somehow feel better? Is newspeak alive and well?

J4 wrote:
John UK...
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.�
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬
Sounds good to me!

You are clearly not thinking anyway. The people in Acts 2:37 had already heard, not only the word of God (all their life), but they had seen and heard the living Word of God. And what did these Jews cry out concerning HIM? They called for his crucifixion. And they got him crucified. At which point they were not pricked in their heart; nor were they asking the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

J4 wrote:
John UK...
God works in the hearts of everyone...

J4 wrote:
John UK...
“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.�
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:37-38‬
Er...sounds like they could repent and be baptized to receive eternal life.

Do you imagine that all over the world, everybody is "pricked in their heart" and are asking the question, "What must I do to be saved", when they hear a gospel message?

I realise it is a lack of experience on your part. You don't get out onto the streets and meet sinners and try to convert them. You leave that for others to do. In that case, ask those who do go out what sort of a response is normal. Do they find that all ask the question, "What must I do?"

This article reminded me of vain arminians, who imagine that they can get themselves chosen unto eternal life by doing certain things. They think that by "believing" they can force God's hand to make them one of his elect. But men are like clay, and God is like a Master Potter. He says that he will do what he will do; he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy; he will give life to whom he will give life. And he will send the Son of God at the time of his own choosing.

B. McCausland wrote:
Nothing upsetting, Unprofitable, rather comical to observe your fixation.
Take care

That would make UK folks out to be fools.

Mind you, the fact that he kept making the same point over and over, could point to him really thinking us to be fools, and he just wanted the world to know that. In which case, he would have been attempting to upset us, telling us in no uncertain terms that folks who think the NHS services are free, are without doubt fools.

Dr. Tim wrote:
Someone is watching the ones who are watching us, and they will all stand before Him some day to give an account for the way they treated His children.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Thanks for your thoughts and examples, You also have a good day

Imagine if all those deaths were ourselves who post on SA news threads. In less than a week there would be no-one left to post anything. And we would be clothed in our angelic robes.