I am happy to be able to agree with your entire last post. The gospel truth itself is a mystery (to the natural man), but God reveals it to his elect, he makes it manifest to their mind. Your proof texts show this.
In the text we are looking at, are you looking at "simplicity" as referring to either Christ or the gospel? If so, I believe you got it wrong, the KJV not helping much in its use of words. It refers rather to the singleness of devotion of the saint towards Christ. Note,
I am afraid that your minds will be corrupted and that you will abandon your full and pure devotion to Christ â€” in the same way that Eve was deceived by the snake's clever lies. For you gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit and a gospel completely different from the Spirit and the gospel you received from us! (2 Corinthians 11:3-4 GNB)
If you now read the KJV in light of this, it makes more sense. Paul's whole concern is that his converts will not depart from the [simplicity that is in Christ, namely, Christ in you, the hope of glory, and singleness of heart towards him] in favour of false preachers who preach another Jesus.
James Thomas wrote: Hey John, I'm fine with exchanging thoughts, but I'm having a hard time following your reasoning on saying its a "complex" gospel rather than simple one by the reason you gave at the outset.
No problem James, let me take the simpler route and show you that Paul said the gospel was a mystery, not a simple little message that anyone could preach. You'll notice that he was asking for prayer, in order that God might enable him to preach this gospel as he ought, because it is not within the capacity of man to do this.
Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. (Ephesians 6:18-20 KJV)
When men of God, duly anointed with the Holy Spirit, preach the gospel, there is something most special about it. This is why Charles Spurgeon had a couple of hundred of his congregation praying out back for him throughout the services.
Adriel, the climate change claims do not bother me because I am living well above sea level.
Frank wrote: Yes Neil, evolution is such a ridiculous concept that is hard for me to even argue against it today. I can sit down with an evolutionist ask him a couple simple questions and none of them have even remotely offered an answer. IOW, they just look at me. What bothers me more than these scientists are Christians who try to appease them while supposedly professing creationism. They do this through theistic evolution or Old earth creationism. All they are doing is trying to appear to be intelligent to unbelievers.
Amen bro, and I liked what Neil said also.
I wonder if you could post those two questions brother, which you have posed to evolutionists in the past, and they just looked at you - gone out, sorta.
I honestly believe you are mixed up with regard to this "simplicity", which you claim is so simple that even a child can understand it.
The reason for this may relate to your belief concerning the actual state of a man who is a sinner. In my book, the man is born a sinner, by inheritance. He doesn't become a sinner at his first sin. Note,
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. (Romans 3:11 KJV)
This is the natural state of all men.
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. (Romans 3:19 KJV)
The whole world (by nature) is guilty before God.
Thusly, putting those two scriptures together, the gospel (as it says in the NT) is a mystery, a mystery. Without enlightenment of the Spirit, no man will ever understand it, nor will any child.
The Fall brings spiritual death, so the natural man understands nothing gospel-wise. He needs that Ephesians 2 quickening, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins..."
Calvary, and the Man who died there, is far from "simplicity", it be rather "complex" because of who Jesus IS.
Frank wrote: Someone can be a conservative Republican and not be saved. But, no one can support the Democratic Party and be saved. They â€śallâ€ť stand for abortion, homosexuality and feminism. Yes, I consider those things to be litmus tests. Isaiah 3:9 The look on their countenance witnesses against them, And they declare their sin as Sodom; They do not hide it. Woe to their soul! For they have brought evil upon themselves.
Frank, both your words and the Bible text testify to the political parties even in the UK. They are exceedingly bold and brazen about the filth they stand up for. And people will vote for them.
In a few weeks we have yet another general election, and I am being forced to vote for the brand new party called the Brexit Party, under Nigel Farage. It is the only party which is determined to make a perfect and clean break with the filth and satanism of the European Union. Not that Nigel is a Christian, I don't know what he is, but he sure talks sense when compared to the other parties. He and his fellow Brexiteers had a landslide victory in the recent European elections for MEP's and they make a brilliant noise in the European Parliament building.
Dr. Tim wrote: The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God (Psalm 9:17). Opinions change; God never does. Human laws are amended and overturned, but Godâ€™s laws are eternal. Youâ€™re absolutely right, John. Payday is coming.
Christian Man wrote: Thank you John for warning the perishing as well as reminding those of us what we have been redeemed from...unbelief. Jesus Christ is who he says he is and that his words and actions, especially what he did at the cross of calvary as God the Father was administering justice by pouring out his wrath on Jesus so that God demonstrated his unmerited love for fallen mankind and calls all to repent and believe/trust the Gospel. Romans 3
Thank you both. I love to write, read, speak and hear, all gospel truths as found in scripture. These things have encompassed me about since 1979, sometimes more powerfully than at other times, but always there: the awfulness of sin and its judgment in the sinner, and the great wonder of God's grace and mercy shown to them that become saints through faith in Jesus Christ.
James Thomas wrote: John, How do you understand what is the simplicity that is in Christ Paul mentions?
Hi James, always the best way is to observe the context first.
Paul is talking to Christians who are now married to Jesus Christ, as per Romans 7:4. They were previously married to the law, but now having died, they are married to Christ, that they may bear good fruit.
He tells the Corinthians of his concern for them, that although they are united with Christ, they are in danger of being drawn away from Jesus by Satan (the serpent), as also he drew away Eve in the Garden, corrupting their minds.
[2 Corinthians 11:3-4]
Through what means? How does the devil do this?
1. Through a preacher who preaches a different and better Jesus.
2. Through the ministry of a spirit more worthwhile than you have accepted.
3. Through another, more perfect, gospel message.
Paul effectively tells them that it is impossible for them to hear of a better Jesus, a better spirit than the Spirit of God, and a better gospel than his, which is a glorious gospel of a glorious salvation.
He exhorts them to stick with him, as he has told them the truth, and not go running after false teachers.
Anon wrote: Church in the wilderness. The people said this is how church should be: singing, dancing, playing and a golden idol in the place of God and the man Moses. This is how church should be: no prayer, no sermon, no word, just feelings and music and no judgement. That isnâ€™t church, that is a concert. Where are the settings? Outside. Get rid of the rap 100% and preach the gospel for an hour, that isnâ€™t too much to ask for. If not donâ€™t call it church, call it entertainment. Preach for an hour and then do 10 minutes of music, they are doing this backwards. Gospel singers donâ€™t call their worship music church because it is missing vital components. This shouldnâ€™t be called church if it is incomplete. I would rather have an hour sermon and no music than an hour of rap music and no gospel. Hearing the word and hearing it preached builds faith, even without music it is still worshipping in Spirit and in truth for the word is truth.
When time is no more (and it could be very soon), there will be no more same sex anything, all abominations will be punished by the court of God himself. People will wish then that they had hearkened to the Bible, the word of God, but it will be too late. Too late! Perishing in the lake of fire, tormented in that flame, separated from all that is good, weeping and wailing, gnashing of teeth, darkness and pain. Because of what? Unbelief! It is the worst sin of all.
The expression 'day of grace' means that we are living in a time when God is prepared to be merciful to all who repent of their unbelief and turn to him.
It is obvious to most onlookers that the majority of Americans do not have a clue what the word 'Christian' means. You might expect this in a third world country where any sort of religious affiliation associated with Christ is called 'Christian' but not in an educated country where there is free access to Bibles and online resources.
Adriel wrote: Liberalism writes its own version of the Bible and has fabricated its own image of their god. It turns out their god is much more tolerant of sin and sinners.
Yes, it is a Jesus of their own manufacture, not the Jesus of the Bible, not the God of the Bible. A good confession that any Christian can and should make, includes the many several aspects of the character of God, from his holiness and justice, to his grace and mercy, not being unbalanced either way, but seeking to declare the full counsel of God, in all of his ways.
Sinners will never really know God's hatred of sin, unless God's Spirit enlightens them and frightens them with an understanding of God's eternal justice, and what 'life' will be like in a lake of fire, and that for all eternity; it is eternal punishment.
Any sinner convicted of these things and who desires with all his heart to be saved by the Lord, needs to see the value of Christ's sacrifice at Calvary, where he in love died in the room and stead of sinners, bearing their sins and satisfying divine justice.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
"Holman Huntâ€™s famous painting The Light of the World was inspired by the verse in Revelation 3:20. The Pre-Raphelite artist created three versions of this image. The original (completed in 1853) is displayed in the chapel at Keble College, Oxford. A smaller pastel version (completed in 1856) hangs in Manchester City Art Gallery. The most famous and largest version (completed in 1904) hangs in St Paulâ€™s Cathedral in London."
I realise that the Lord has used this text to bring souls to himself, but that in itself does not justify its incorrect use. Evangelists need to be fully aware of the gospel message and what God says to sinners. Holman Hunt obviously had the arminist syndrome, as he deliberately did not paint a door knob on the outside, thusly showing (as he thought) that the sinner must open to Christ, giving his permission to the Messiah to come in.
Frank wrote: Excellent comment brother and of course your opinions are greatly prized by me and Iâ€™m sure others. I am simply going to say this. I didnâ€™t read the article, but I was never tempted to praise God for what took place.
Hey Frank, amen to that; it's a spiritual thing. And ecumenists do not like it when we start behaving like Jesus, or an apostle, or one of the disciples. They had a degree of discernment, and the NT is chock full of exhortations regarding false prophets, false teachers, false doctrines, another Jesus, false gospels, pseudo manuscripts, pseudo converts, and on and on. If you ask any ecumenist where all these are today, they look at you with a bemused expression; haven't got a clue.
"In a crowd of 6,000 people from all walks of life, all ages, and all races, I witnessed over 1,000 people respond to The Gospel by raising their hands to accept Jesus as their Lord & Savior!"
Shall I give my honest opinion?
No, I don't think I will.
Oh all right then, I will.
BIG ENDTIME DECEPTION!
Oh, it's only my opinion, and we do have freedom of speech on these here threads, don't we?
Of course it began many years ago, paving the way for such nonsense. Do you want to be saved? Here is what you must do: raise your hand in the air and accept Christ as your Saviour. After all, 999 other people are doing it, so it can't be that bad, can it?
The only problem is that the technique is not found in the Bible, and God does not work like that. God is a God who saves, and Christ is not a mere spectator, humbly waiting outside in the cold and rain, waiting for some poor sinner to open the door and let him into a warmer place. Jesus is the Almighty Lord Jesus Christ, and he can save the foulest of men. In fact he does save the foulest of men. And when they are saved, they acknowledge that. It is very humbling to be converted by the power of the Holy Spirit.
There is but one only,(a) living, and true God,(b) who is infinite in being and perfection,(c) a most pure spirit,(d) invisible,(e) without body, parts,(f) or passions,(g) immutable,(h) immense,(i) eternal,(k) incomprehensible,(l) almighty,(m) most wise,(n) most holy,(o) most free,(p) most absolute,(q) working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will,(r) for His own glory;(s) most loving,(t) gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin;(u) the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him;(w) and withal, most just and terrible in His judgments,(x) hating all sin,(y) and who will by no means clear the guilty.(z)
(a) Deut. 6:4; I Cor. 8:4, 6. (b) I Thess. 1:9; Jer. 10:10. (c) Job 11:7, 8, 9; Job 26:14. (d) John 4:24. (e) I Tim. 1:17. (f) Deut. 4:15, 16; John 4:24, with Luke 24:39. (g) Acts 14:11, 15. (h) James 1:17; Mal. 3:6. (i) I Kings 8:27; Jer. 23:23, 24. (k) Ps. 90:2; I Tim. 1:17. (l) Ps. 145:3. (m) Gen. 17:1; Rev. 4:8. (n) Rom. 16:27. (o) Isa. 6:3; Rev. 4:8. (p) Ps. 115:3. (q) Exod. 3:14. (r) Eph. 1:11. (s) Prov. 16:4; Rom. 11:36. (t) I John 4:8, 16. (u) Exod. 34:6, 7. (w) Heb. 11:6. (x) Neh. 9:32, 33. (y) Ps. 5:5, 6. (z) Nah. 1:2, 3; Exod. 34:7.
James Thomas wrote: No John, Your conclusions and assertions are far off. I'm mearly pointing out an obvious oversight in your beloved WFC which you appear to be defending. Apparently you don't think my suggestion of "God is Love" should be included in that list you are promoting. Shocking!
Hello James. I am not a Presbyterian, and so am not acquainted with the WCF/LC/SC. The quote I made was from the SC, which is a catechism for little children I believe, called the Shorter Catechism. I'm sure my Presby friends will set me straight if that info is incorrect.
Now if you want to go to the big boy's stuff, you need to go to the Westminster Confession of Faith, a confession which exceeds all your knowledge at a stroke, and which has sought to put down what the Bible teaches about numerous subjects, to assist the working man who does not have much time to study scriptures but who wishes to know what the Bible teaches. It goes very deep, including what the Bible is and how it is to be interpreted, which thing should find agreement with you.
Next post I will show you how deep the confession goes, including your text 1 John 4:8, which shows just a small part of what God is. Look for 't' in my next.
James Thomas wrote: John, I read through your suggestion on a bible study from this shorter catechism you posted. I can't say I'd want to go any further with it as the Question 4 you provided asks: WHAT is God? That question should be WHO is GOD?
James, you've just begun your own catechism. Congratulations. Statement of faith to follow no doubt.
James's Catechism Q4. Who is God? A. God is Love.* * 1 John 4:8
Personally I don't think it will catch on, but it's your life and you will do whatever you think is right.
James, the answer you gave to my question was very poor. If I had asked what a Christian is, the answer would have been fine: he is a person in whom Jesus Christ dwells by faith. But I asked if you knew any Christians in your district who were living in the "simplicity that is in Christ" and where they were to be found. Obviously you don't believe that all Christians are living in this simplicity, so I wondered if you were the only one, or are there others in Florida that you know about? Thank you.
I am shortly off to meeting, so I will look in later.
As an evangelical, you will not find me on such a platform as this with enemies of the gospel of Christ. Be not deceived. If any man claiming to be an evangelical accepts any other way to God apart from Jesus Christ and him crucified and risen, he is NOT an evangelical but an impostor.
Religious people need Jesus Christ, and over the years many religious folks have found salvation in Christ, to the glory of God alone.