And I was looking all over heaven, trying to find China, and it was not to be found anywhere. Nor was Russia, nor was the USA, nor was North Korea. Then I saw that the whole of heaven was the country of Wales, and everyone was speaking Welsh.
Frank wrote: Yes brother, a very good analogy! The only part of the below that a feminist and so many men and women, in the body of Christ intentionally compartmentalize is the head of the woman is man. Why do they do this? Because they believe that makes them of less value than a man and of course that is really silly. The below has nothing to do with value or worth otherwise Christ is not also God. Eve wanted to be relevant in ways that were not according to God's design. 1 Corinthians 11:3 ‚ÄúBut I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.‚ÄĚ
The Quiet Christian wrote: Amen, Brother John. Mockers are they: This first understand, that there shall come in the last days, mockers, which will walk after their lusts, and say, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the Fathers died, all things continue alike from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly know not, that the heavens were of old, and the earth that was of the water, and by the water, by the word of God. Wherefore the world that then was, perished, overflowed with the water. But the heavens and earth, which are now, are kept by the same word in store, and reserved unto fire against the day of condemnation, and of the destruction of ungodly men. - 2 Peter 3:3-7
Mockers is the right word, Quiet Brother.
Very apt text.
Mind you, I am not looking down on these unregenerates, as though I have somewhat to boast of, as though I had some sense and they didn't. My claim has always been, "I am what I am by the grace of God, particularly redeemed, and called according to God's purpose and grace."
Frank wrote: Thanks fellow pilgrim for your post. If the Lord didn't use the evil people in this world, the world would cease to exist. The Lord even uses satan to accomplish His will. Just look at Job where He gave satan the permission to ruin that man's live. But then look at the final result. In all the years you and I have been on this forum, this is the first time these types of trolls have appeared. I now have them on ignore and will try my best to simply ignore them.
It was you that taught me to have an ignore list, Pilgrim. It is a wise thing to have.
Bro US, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Most helpful and edifying.
Frank wrote: Amen brother! If someone who told me they were Christians and then stated that Christ was not their Lord, I would ask why and they would not give me "any" response. He is truly worthy to be trusted and obeyed.
I suppose it's a bit like a woman who marries a man without any intention of being obedient to him.
Frank wrote: Our Lord uses His enemies and He often uses His children to assist Him.
Amen bro. I was just reading today of a Roman centurion who was put in charge of Paul the apostle while they sailed to Rome where Paul was to appeal to Caesar. This centurion showed Paul some great kindness when they landed at Sidon, permitting him to visit friends, so that they might provide for his needs. Acts 27:3
Frank wrote: I learned a great deal from his Lordship salvation books. Basically if Jesus is your Savior then He must also be your Lord. This has nothing to do with works based salvation, but simply a relationship with Him. No one can deny He is both except the easy believism antinomian folks.
Pilgrim Brother, thanks for your whole post, really blessed me.
I remember hearing about Lordship salvation for the first time only a few years ago, and felt inclined to look into it. So I dug out an article by John which sought to introduce what it was. It was not long, but long enough to make all the main points and he gave biblical proofs concerning the subject.
To my mind, it was biblical Christianity through and through, and I saw nothing wrong with it. Indeed, if anyone should tell me that Christ was their Saviour, but that they wouldn't have this Man reign over their life, I would seek to graciously point them to scripture and show them their error, for they certainly are not yet saved.
The time to willingly bend the knee and acknowledge Christ as Lord is now, not some future time when God's enemies will be forced to do so.
As you say bro, it is not a form of works-based salvation, but the real thing.
hey_yo wrote: My vote is not for Trump. My vote is not for Biden. I do not willingly support evil.
Hey Yo, you say that you will not vote for either Trump or Biden, seemingly because you will not willingly support evil.
Okay, that is your choice. That is fine by me.
But it seems you are on a crusade. You want others to join you in your stance. And if they don't come alongside you, you are going to call them "supposed Christians", saying that they won't come out from among them and be separate.
Basically you are an oppressor, trying by psychological manipulation to enforce non-voting on all who post here.
Not that I have no empathy for your stance. I myself would not vote for decades, simply because all candidates were unregenerate. There is no avoiding that. But my not voting did not prevent an unregenerate from being voted a member of parliament.
At the end of the day, if you choose not to vote for anyone, fine. But to try to enforce others against their conscience to also not vote, and even to refer to them as pseudo-Christians, is simply not on. That is not the Christian way, which is a way of grace. You are being legalistic in the extreme, and I tell you this for your good. Sure I do.
hey_yo wrote: John UK: 'Context is always the...' blah blah blah.
Interesting. You discount what I said, namely, "Context is always the way forward in interpreting Bible verses," and use the 'blah blah blah' expression, as if to say it is all a nonsense.
However, if you ask any Christian pastor or theologian, anywhere in the world, if the context of a verse is crucial in order to correctly interpret it, they would all agree with me. You won't find them blah blah blahing their way out of what you have done in misinterpreting scripture and misusing it in a most dreadful way.
To look at the immediate context is second to looking at the text, and to look at the rest of the chapter is the third thing, and to compare with the rest of the Bible is the fourth thing. What you have done is wrenched a text out of its context, and used it in a most abominable way.
And then you attack the posters on here and accuse them by using the expression "supposed Christians", thusly elevating yourself above all others, making judgments from a lofty height. This is not conducive to your peace, nor to your sanctification, nor to your growth in grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
hey_yo wrote: John UK: I do not dismiss various interpretations.
Context is always the way forward in interpreting Bible verses. Have a look here at the context:
2 Thessalonians 2:11-14 KJV (11)¬† And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (12)¬† That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (13)¬† But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: (14)¬† Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 KJV (8)¬† And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (9)¬† Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, (10)¬† And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (11)¬† And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (12)¬† That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
There will always be those who reject the truth of the gospel, through which they could have been saved. And the penalty for so disdaining God, is that God will send them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lies of the devil even more, with no hope of ever getting at the truth ever again. It is a most serious spiritual malady, for which there is no cure.
Note, when you hear the truth of the gospel, you are duty bound to receive it and thank God for it. To reject the gospel is to reject Christ, and to reject Christ is to reject God, and if you reject God you are self-condemned.
Frank wrote: Fellow Pilgrim! There is not one comment you made here that I disagree with. As you know I am not interested in politics in the least. I am a stranger and alien in this lost and fallen world. Have a great evening brother.
And you brother!
I'm just about to turn in. Ah, the bliss of being unconscious for a while.