Hi Christopher, yes my point is that no matter how far you have got, your aim ought to be to possess the truth of God's word, rather than aiming to have an opinion concerning God's word which may be right or wrong.
Your point of interest concerning the lack of breadth of theology within the Psalms, I would answer like this: theology is not ever to be taken from one portion of scripture, but the whole book (which is a collection of books - biblia).
Lastly, you say, "Also, an exclusive psalmody forbids the church to sing â€śJesus, thou joy of loving hearts,â€ť...."
The way you word this, it's almost as if you are saying it is a manmade device called "exclusive psalmody", therefore it is to be discounted as incorrect. However, if you were to say, "God forbids the church to sing uninspired hymns", you are saying, "This is not found in scripture."
By asking many questions about this, I have reached the conclusion that if "exclusive psalmody" is biblically correct, it is designed for the assembly of the church together and not for private or separate worship of God. In other words it is for the corporate worship of the church. I don't know if that is true, because no-one ever answered my questions on that, and I'm still working on it.
Matthew 11:25-27 KJV (25)Â At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. (26)Â Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. (27)Â All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Christopher000 wrote: Sorry, one last comment...I should mention that, to be fair, I've been researching the regulative principle, as opposed to just winging the topic, based upon nothing but personal opinion. I'll always go where scripture takes me, no matter what, and no matter how personally painful it might be. I've been researching the regulative principle itself, as well as its historical context, Westminsters view of it, the practice and views of the reformed churches, prior to 1643, the biblical arguments against exclusive Psalmody, the scope of the revelation that the Psalms includes, and excludes, what exclusive Psalmody forbids and requires, and so on, so I'm doing my due diligence, and it's an interesting topic.
Christopher, it needs to be more than "an interesting topic". Let me explain.
Let us say God calls you to pioneer a small fellowship in Rhode Island, just a tiny fellowship beginning with six other Christians. You are to lead. Do you think a fellowship meeting just plans itself, just writes itself out? What will you sing to God? Who will pray, you or everyone? What if the seven Christians have seven different preferences concerning what to sing? How do you deal with it?
Many of the Psalms were written for "stringed instruments" in addition to the "choir director" and since the book of Psalms is a book of praise to God, I believe we should follow it's methods in worship...
Good morning JAG, and first of all I would like to say I am encouraged that you have observed that the Psalms is a book of praise to God, and ought to be used in the worship of God. Unfortunately, within one more decade, it will only be very isolated groups of Christians who actually do this, as the CCM (which is the modern equivalent of uninspired hymn-writing) completely takes over, having swamped the churches worldwide, making use of the flesh to further the ecumenical movement, and the World Council of Churches, the One World Church, and other endtime scenarios being brought in by the devil and his disciples.
To answer your point about UK culture and its influence, I ought to mention that Psalms have been sung daily for centuries by trained singers to the accompaniment of huge cathedral organs which are capable of producing the sounds of all the instruments mentioned in the Psalms. But God does not appreciate any of this hypocrisy in the CoE.
Saying, "I beg your pardon," to people is a step. But the real thing with good consequences is to ask the Lord, "God be merciful to me, a sinner," while seeing the Lord Jesus Christ as his only hope of salvation, and that the mass is a deception of the RCC. In other words, he needs to depart the RCC and flee to Jesus Christ, who receives all that come to him by faith. Then he can devote the rest of his life to touring the world telling people how the Lord Jesus saved him from his sins and also from the RCC, which is a counterfeit church.
B. McCausland wrote: John, the psalm expresses the exuberance (great zest) of worship. May be it would be better to grasp the bigger picture instead of standing behind single punny interpretations.
Sister, the OT worship of God was oftentimes most demonstrative, involving multiple musicians and their instruments, professional skilled choirs.
What I would like to see is biblical warrant from the NT for worship under the new covenant, which is different from the worship under the old covenant, the only exception being that the NT exhorts us to sing psalms.
What thing is sadly missing from modern day worship? It is the singing of psalms, which is the only thing warranted in the New Testament. Amazing, eh? Well, not really, the devil has done a great job on the Christian church since its inception, and gotten people away from the Bible. He's always saying, "Yea, hath God said?" and folks fall for it every time. Amazing, eh? Well, not really, we have a sinful nature remnant still within us, and this nature fights us every step of the way.
And this is why psalms are gone, women are pastors, and CCM rules the floor show in churches up and down the land, and Songs of Praise is so BBC popular.
Frank wrote: Amen brother! My brain cannot fathom just how glorious eternity will be for us.
Frank, it is just too glorious to comprehend, just as God is too bright to behold with our earthly eyes. And it is all bought and paid for at great cost by our beloved Saviour, who loved us and gave himself for us.
Just a Guy wrote: Psalm 150... 1 Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. 2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. 3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. 4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. 5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord. God apparently enjoys his people using the giftings of instrument playing to praise Him. The use of instruments is all throughout the old testament... It would be sort of interesting to hear a voice only group singing Psalm 150...
JAG, it is what I call a tongue-in-cheek argument, which means it is not to be taken seriously.
Do you know of any churches locally which use all of the Psalm 150 instruments? Oh, and not forgetting the dance also.
Do you think I was wrong to compose music for psalms on my electric guitar (stringed instrument), so that I could play and sing at the same time? Serious question.
Thank you Adriel and Chris GP for your additional comments. I know there is no simple solution to the problem, but I can testify to a most wonderful spiritual new covenant experience and edification every time I sing from the Scottish Psalter. I would not have believed it possible, and I am at a loss to really describe it, but I sure wish there was just one church in the whole of my county who sang psalms in corporate worship. Alas, even the evangelical churches seem to need the entertainment aspect of hymns and CCM, while the charismatic and apostolic churches love the happy clappy worldly beat music which gives them such a buzz. I would say to them, "Cease from the music and see if you still have the same religious joy."
I know it's in the music because I used to play in a rock band as a non Christian, and it gives you a big buzz/euphoria.
Frank wrote: Well, if my wife carries out my wishes there will be no viewing and my body will be cremated. But, if she doesnâ€™t do what I have asked, then I wonâ€™t be even remotely mad or upset. I will be in heaven with my Lord and Savior and nothing will ever bother me again.
It is a glorious thought, Pilgrim! It is these sorts of things that gets my spirit going and starts me off worshipping this great and gracious Saviour.
Hello Frank, if I might attempt to answer at least one of your questions.
Yesterday, a 22 year old racing driver died in a crash in Formula 2 Belgium. The usual temporary sadnesses materialised, before it was "back to work as usual" as there are other races. One of the common remarks was Rest In Peace (RIP), and it got me thinking about what on earth are they thinking when they say that? Do they imagine there is life after death? That maybe there could be trauma or trouble after death, and so they wish for the person to have peace? Do they actually think about what they are saying? Does it mean anything, or is it just "the done thing", the "right thing to say"?
Now all three pastors ought to have the same answer, bro. And we can see if they are correct by checking the scripture.
So all three say that there is no peace for the wicked, especially after death; and that there is rest for every person who has trusted Christ as his Saviour and Lord, especially after death.
We check the scriptures and find clear biblical warrant for what they said.
Dr. Tim wrote: John, I see your point, but if a man has to be completely right all of the time to be a pastor, we may as well abolish the position and be done with it.
Tim, if a man claiming to be a pastor cannot understand the simple passages of scripture like the one below, how then shall he teach the more difficult passages?
1 Corinthians 12:18-21 KJV (18)Â But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. (19)Â And if they were all one member, where were the body? (20)Â But now are they many members, yet but one body. (21)Â And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
Besides, what would you do if your pastor took you aside one day and said, "You need the church, Tim, but the church doesn't need you."
Would you not seek a church with a pastor who knew what he was talking about?
Well it makes sense. There are hardly any Christians in the UK, so these people are trying to avoid the hypocrisy which has been the tradition of church attendance for so long: hatched, matched, dispatched, in a church building. I prefer it like this, where unbelievers are not given any hope of "earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust; in sure and certain hope of the Resurrection to eternal life through our Lord Jesus Christ; who shall change our vile body, that it may be like unto his glorious body, according to the mighty working, whereby he is able to subdue all things to himself". That is just religious hypocrisy and deception.
My recommendation is for every church to sing from God's hymnbook without instruments. The TBS still publish the Scottish Psalter alongside the Authorized (King James) Version. They are two, and they are dynamic.
The title of the article is misleading, and again implies that church is an institution which people attend.
The apostle Paul and any simple Bible believer understands that a local collection of believers is designed to meet together regularly, for the simple fact that each person has been gifted by the Holy Spirit (comparable to the different parts of the human body - 1 Corinthians 12) and is required for the body to work correctly in the will of God.
The opposite is a bit like an eye separating itself from your natural body and looking at the rest of your body and saying, "I am fine, and I don't need the rest of you."
I remember hearing a Baptist pastor saying, "You need the church, but the church doesn't need you." Of course he was half right and half wrong, and I believe he ought never to have been in the pastorate.