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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
John doesn't show that He wasn't using symbolism at the Passover meal with His disciples. Thanks
Oh, okay. Let us look again at this text then:-

1 Corinthians 10:16 KJV
(16)  The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

koinonia = communion = fellowship

1 Corinthians 10:16 GNB
(16)  The cup we use in the Lord's Supper and for which we give thanks to God: when we drink from it, we are sharing in the blood of Christ. And the bread we break: when we eat it, we are sharing in the body of Christ.

When we bless the cup at the Lord’s Table, aren’t we sharing in the blood of Christ? And when we break the bread, aren’t we sharing in the body of Christ? NLT

Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? NIV

The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? ESV

Is that helpful?


News Item7/31/2020 12:06 PM
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How wonderful is the Christian life, with its victory over sin and Satan, and freedom in Christ, and bearing good fruit, the fruit of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:22-23 KJV
(22)  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(23)  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Here is the Christian defined. This is his character. Anything else is proof of a false profession, a pseudo-conversion, a deceived person, someone in whom the seed of the word of God does not ever come to fruition, bearing thirtyfold, sixtyfold, or even a hundredfold. Jesus makes these things very clear, and all ought to heed his words before they listen to the words of men.


News Item7/31/2020 11:57 AM
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
John none of those passages negate my point
Brother, let us look at this passage, and why I included it.

John 17:4 KJV
(4) I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Jesus says he has finished the work which God the Father gave him to do. This was before he had finished the work which God the Father had given him to do.

Jesus instituted the new covenant in his blood before even the crucifixion took place. "Drink ye all of it, this is the new covenant in my blood." And "do this in remembrance of me." Remembrance of what, exactly? It had not happened yet. A moment before, they were still living in the old covenant, celebrating passover.

Are not these things so?

If I am barking up the wrong tree, please rephrase your initial point so that I understand it better. Thank you.


News Item7/31/2020 11:06 AM
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Mike wrote:
Might be a good idea. And when the pastor is jailed, the elders need step up. And when the elders are jailed, lay teachers step up. No point in letting it be easy for the adversary's helpers. Whole armor time.
Bro, you mean the whole armour of God? All that clanking and restricted movement? I'm not sure you will be able to convince today's Christians to wear such old-fashioned stuff. It will restrict their gyrations and leaping about to the Hillsong beat.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Brother John
Let me speak a little "Prophetically"
Churches need to be prepared for persecution
Quite so, and not before time. How can anyone claim genuine Christianity and never have any persecution. Is that what they call an oxymoron?

The wheat and tares are almost indistinguishable from each other these days. But praise God for the little remnant who remain true to Jesus and will not compromise. The love of God is very precious to them, and the grace and mercy of God constrains them.

In every denomination and every independent fellowship there are those who are loved by God, redeemed by Jesus Christ, and indwelt by the Holy Ghost. PTL!


News Item7/31/2020 3:43 AM
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Pastors need prison time as part of their training. Unless they are pastoring a health, wealth and prosperity church.

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Not being able to breath is a terrible thing.

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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
You stop short
He did not say about His body, which will be broken or will be given , He said which is broken or is given. He did not say My blood which will be shed, but My blood which is shed .
Bro US, you appear to be bringing an argument based on logic, in order to arrive at a spiritual conclusion. But logic often gets turned on its head as the following scripture shows. Jesus is talking about something completed, which he has not yet performed in time. He asks the Father to glorify him before he has completed the work. Note,

John 17:4 KJV
(4)  I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

The work which God gave Jesus to do was not finished until Jesus cried out on the cross, "Finished!"

Similarly, even Paul the apostle claimed his work was finished before time.

2 Timothy 4:7 KJV
(7)  I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

Recommended reading: the following verse in context:

Ephesians 5:30 KJV
(30)  For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.


News Item7/30/2020 4:34 PM
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Mike wrote:
1. My bad, John. Didnt realize the requirement of never pointing out a truth unless all my own theological ducks are lined up perfectly. I'm afraid I might have to continue, though, until everyone else restrains for the same reason as well. But then I think it would be get real quiet around here.

2. Indeed the whole man was bought and paid for on the cross. And because of the resurrection, we have life. And surely when we 'do this in remembrance of me' we should do it with the discernment that comes from humility and gratitude. Else we might expect a discipline we don't want.

Bro Mike,

1. What you were saying about Martin Luther was, "Oh, he was wrong on purgatory, therefore I won't listen to what he has to say about the communion."

If I took that to its conclusion, I would not listen to another Christian, ever. For who has his doctrines perfect? No-one, except the self-deceived.

Mike, do you see a difference between the bread and the wine? Between the Lord's body and his blood? If you were giving thanks for both in the communion, would you pray a similar prayer for each, or would the prayers be distinctly different, because of different purposes.


News Item7/30/2020 2:22 PM
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Mike wrote:
Martin Luther also believed in Purgatory.
John, believers are made to partake of his body and blood by faith in that which is called salvation. His indwelt spirit. No further partaking of that which is already had can be wrought by the Lord's Supper, which is a remembrance. How can more Jesus be gained by it? "with all his benefits."? Communion is to bring to mind gratitude for what he has already done, not to bring us more benefits, as reward If we be properly worthy.
Oh dear Mike. Luther believed in purgatory, and Mike NY has all his doctrine sorted and perfect? Don't be silly, bro.

Christians of today are so shallow in their thinking, and that includes me. But I am not staying in that rut but going on for higher and deeper.

1 Corinthians 11:29-30 KJV
(29)  For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
(30)  For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

When was the last time you heard a sermon entitled: "Sicknesses and Deaths through Not Discerning the Lord's Body"?

Mike, there is more than remission in the atonement; there is redemption for the whole man.


News Item7/30/2020 1:48 PM
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Shorter Catechism

"Q. What is the Lord's supper? A. The Lord's supper is a sacrament, wherein, by giving and receiving bread and wine according to Christ's appointment, his death is showed forth; and the worthy receivers are, not after a corporal and carnal manner, but by faith, made partakers of his body and blood, with all his benefits, to their spiritual nourishment and growth in grace."

If folks don't know what "not after a corporal and carnal manner" means, you've only got to ask.

1689 Baptist Confession - Lord's Supper

Paragraph 7. "Worthy receivers, outwardly partaking of the visible elements in this ordinance, do then also inwardly by faith, really and indeed, yet not carnally and corporally, but spiritually receive, and feed upon Christ crucified, and all the benefits of his death; the body and blood of Christ being then not corporally or carnally, but spiritually present to the faith of believers in that ordinance, as the elements themselves are to their outward senses."

There are many folks missing out on spiritual blessings because of not comprehending the body and blood of Christ in communion. And some indeed are becoming sick and even dying for they discern not the Lord's body.


News Item7/30/2020 12:39 PM
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Frank wrote:
Brother John!
I got the below from the internet:
"Presbyterians believe that the presence of Jesus Christ is very real in Holy Communion, but that the bread and wine are just symbols of the spiritual ideas that communion represents."
Although I have never identified myself with Presbyterians, I simply believe the above. I do not eat the literal body of Christ and I do not drink the literal blood of Christ.
Absolutely. If you were to eat the flesh of Christ, it must have changed from bread before you partook.

Queen Elizabeth I of England rejected the transubstantiation of the RCC, but retained the real presence of Jesus Christ in bread and wine, calling it a mystery. Martin Luther was of similar ilk previously.

Please read again the Presbies own take, noting the need for faith to benefit from the communion supper.

"Q. What is the Lord's supper? A. The Lord's supper is a sacrament, wherein, by giving and receiving bread and wine according to Christ's appointment, his death is showed forth; and the worthy receivers are, not after a corporal and carnal manner, but by faith, made partakers of his body and blood, with all his benefits, to their spiritual nourishment and growth in grace."


News Item7/30/2020 11:14 AM
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Frank wrote:
Cut and paste!
Jesus must have been speaking metaphorically when He referred to the “bread” literally being His body and the “wine” literally being His blood. When Jesus said “this is My body”, He was still with them in the flesh; therefore it could not have been His literal body. He could have said that after He was resurrected it would become His body, but He didn’t.
Hi Frank, and thanks for your contribution. I didn't know you opposed the Presbyterian view of this.

The passover Jesus was celebrating with his disciples occurred a long time ago. They were remembering the great victory wrought by God when he set his people free from slavery in Egypt.

During the passover, less than a day before the crucifixion, Jesus changed the emphasis of the passover to its fulfilment in the redemption of the elect by his own shed blood and broken body. But he was not yet crucified, so according to your argument, he ought to have qualified that. However, in God's economy, he lives outside of time. When he saw the passover lamb's blood on the lintel and doorposts of the houses of his people in Egypt, he saw the blood of his Son, for it is only the blood of Christ that can save sinners. Amen?


News Item7/30/2020 9:30 AM
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Hi Dan, thank you for responding.

When I was a young Christian, I learned that there were two basic positions: transubstantiation (which was a Roman Catholic doctrine, the term first being used around the 11th century), and purely symbolic (which was held by all Christians).

This simplistic approach is just not good enough, as research will show. For example, let us take the Presbies approach:

The Westminster Shorter Catechism:

Q. What is the Lord's supper? A. The Lord's supper is a sacrament, wherein, by giving and receiving bread and wine according to Christ's appointment, his death is showed forth; and the worthy receivers are, not after a corporal and carnal manner, but by faith, made partakers of his body and blood, with all his benefits, to their spiritual nourishment and growth in grace.

Note, "made partakers of his body and blood".

Now the greek word koinonia means fellowship, or communion, as in:

1 Corinthians 10:16 KJV
(16)  The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Change "communion" to "fellowship" and see what you come up with. This is no simple, cut-and-dried subject.


News Item7/29/2020 1:51 PM
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Mike wrote:
True, we are indeed becoming more like civilized bleeding Europe as time goes on, John. Too many here pushing in that direction. One world views and all that. The results show.
Precisely, Mike. I wouldn't give you an ice lolly for Europe or any country within Europe. Nor indeed for any other country in the entire world. Since conversion, I am seeking something better, a heavenly city, something on the other side of Jordan, Beulah Land, way beyond the blue.

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world....
1 John 2:15


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Frank wrote:
Yes brother, it is hard for me to imagine a world like this, but it will happen.
Mark 13:12 “Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.”
Luke 21:11 - And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Matthew Chapter 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Come quickly Lord Jesus, come quickly.
Amen bro, I'm glad someone appreciates the direction I'm going in with my comment. I don't need to watch a western to know that Americans have a tendency to get their arms out whenever I say anything negative about the decadent west. Any old excuse will do, and the pea-shooters come out, because that's the American way of doing it.

Sure, I know all about it. You've got Black Lives Matter and 'you've' got American Pride.

Frank, your citizenship is elsewhere.


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James Thomas wrote:
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Concerning Psalm 2...
Here's another one, St James:-

Acts 4:25-31 KJV
(25)  Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
(26)  The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
(27)  For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
(28)  For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
(29)  And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
(30)  By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
(31)  And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.


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Mike wrote:
I wonder of what need this is, as the grocery is open and the shelves are nearly full. The guv is sending printing press money, and there is no excuse for not building up the larder, a bit at a time, and that without the hoarding we have seen. There is something about going to the ant, and not being a sluggard. Ordinary common sense as was done throughout history, to harvest in season so as to provide out of season. Christians in particular have no excuse, and should be in consideration of their neighbors, who may have need in hard times.
Mike, think of the time when the grocery is closed and the shelves are empty. Desperate people will have desperate measures. I've seen this on a small scale in this country. The rich will empty the shelves of anything they might need for survival, and they would be the target of those who have nothing. There are very few Christians in Wales, so it is a dog eat dog society, a rat race, an every man for himself culture, a me, me, me attitude.

I'm only looking at this from the perspective of endtimes bro. And the pandemic will not be alone in that case. There will be food shortages, no fuel, no transport, war, floods, out of control fires, and so on.


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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
If the scenario you painted was in any way accurate it would have happened long ago and been common throughout our history.
My apologies then, I thought it WAS common, going by the westerns I used to watch in the 50's and 60's. I figured that was why the expression Wild West came into being. Hey Ho.

Oh, but time will tell. Magazines on survival are rampant surely in America?


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B. McCausland wrote:
Brother, never lose sight that the full stops come set by the hand above, though the common folk might have to go through seasons as being "sheep unto the slaughter"
"As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
Let the Lord be our strength
Thankfully sister, any speculations regarding the effects of C19 will soon be tested, say within the next twelve months, and then we shall know for sure. It makes no difference, or should make no difference, to doing what the Lord has for us to do; never should we construct signs saying, "Normal servanthood will be restored as soon as possible".

And yes, I agree, that persecution of believers ought be the normal rather than the rarity. Light always attracts the moths at night and they go crazy. To what end I know not.


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B. McCausland wrote:
Many a time in history authentic believers pondered in the same lines you write here, yet let's remember that evil and jugdements often come in 'tides' or waves that come and go.
Yes indeed, sister. I do not ponder for very long on it, just enough to give me a few thoughts. Such as...

With stockpiling of weaponry and ammunition in America, and with the economy and jobs severely affected by lockdown procedures, with this leading to near starvation for some families, and supposing the pandemic cannot be controlled any other way, and the guv not willing to let it run and do its worst, thusly the austerity continues until some folks just cannot cope any more, and they see stealing food as the only way of survival, at gunpoint of course, maybe stealing money, cars etc., maybe forming into groups or gangs, living in forests like Robin Hood, robbing the rich so that their families can eat, and so on and so forth.

I believe some futuristic films, which I never watch, portray such a time, when the world is unrecognisable compared to what it is today. A forewarning? Some sort of weird prophecy?

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