John UK wrote:
Act 20:21 "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, which is faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."
See if you can get it.

Which focus's your faith ON CHRIST

John UK wrote:
I believe we have to be clear with people that there is going to be a turning here. God's the one that is going to change your life. God is the one that is going to give you power. But there's going to be a change, and if you're not ready for that, you cannot be saved. I believe that's what repentance is. Many soulwinning programs just seem to try to wanna slip the Gospel by the sinner before he knows what's happening, get him saved, and then try to disciple him somehow later on, when there's never, ever, been a surrender to God.
Correct!
Who ever heard of a sinner coming to Christ for salvation who had no intention of ever changing their lifestyle? That goes under the title 'easy-believism', and that is heretical.
The Holy Ghost produces in the heart not only faith in Christ's sufficient atonement, but also a desire to follow after Christ no matter what the consequences. Both of these are a result of regenerating grace.

John UK wrote:
Correct!
Who ever heard of a sinner coming to Christ for salvation who had no intention of ever changing their lifestyle?
The Holy Ghost produces in the heart not only faith in Christ's sufficient atonement, but also a desire to follow after Christ no matter what the consequences. Both of these are a result of regenerating grace.

To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Quote: David Cloud

Cloud teaches that you must turn from your sins, earnestly with all of your heart BEFORE you are Born again.

Have you ever in your life earnestly with all your heart turned from your sin, even after you were saved?

Paul in Romans 7 says that is not even possible after conversion.

You are adding works to salvation!

hidemi williges wrote:
I think you should read "Repentance and Soul-winning" by David Cloud.

"I believe we have to be clear with people that there is going to be a turning here. God's the one that is going to change your life. God is the one that is going to give you power. But there's going to be a change, and if you're not ready for that, you cannot be saved. I believe that's what repentance is. Many soulwinning programs just seem to try to wanna slip the Gospel by the sinner before he knows what's happening, get him saved, and then try to disciple him somehow later on, when there's never, ever, been a surrender to God."

Quote, David Cloud

Cloud's teaching is that you cannot come to Christ for salvation unless you first intend not to walk in sin after you receive him. Therefore you must intend to be perfect afer you are born again. This must be your state of mind before you are regenerated.

This is utter heresy.

hidemi williges wrote:
By looking at every occurrence of the word repent in my Bible, I find it to be much more than just to turn from unbelief.

Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Was Abraham justified by believing God and showing credible or genuine remorse before God? David Cloud is adding to the Gospel of free grace.

hidemi williges wrote:
You are right about suicide. One cannot repent of their sin if one is dead.
Rogerant
How are things in your neck of the woods? Happy new year to you and your family.

John Yurich: I do not attend a Fundementalist church, I am Reformed.

Can you provide text from the Bible that makes it clear that anyone who commits suicide goes to hell?

As for perishing before repenting of a specific sin, don't we all?

To repent means to turn from unbelief and counting upon your own righteousness and relying upon the righteousness of Christ.

For a good lesson on repentance I recommend listening to the following program as per the reformers.

[URL=http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/The_White_Horse_Inn/archives.asp?bcd=6/22/2008]]]The True Meaning of Repentance[/URL]

Repentance is not a "work" that saves you. The Blood of Christ saves you!

Heb 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing, and hath done dispite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Christiana wrote:
There will be a spiritual holy city, the New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven.

The tabernacle of God will be with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

The New Jerusalem is "The Chruch".

God does tabernacle with men now with the Holy Spirit! We are the temple of the Holy Spirit who represents Christ "in us"

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt (tabernacled) among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth"

They beheld His glory like the Israelites beheld the Glory of God in the cloud over the Tent of the Meeting, or the Tabernacle of God.

Exodus 40:33 So Moses finished the work. Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

Exodus 40:35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

Yes they behold the glory of the Lord, and it appeared again in 1 Kings 8:10 when they transferd the articles from the tent, to the new temple.

John Yurich wrote:
Well Merkle is in Hell right now because of committing suicide. Suicide is a sin and once someone commits suicide then they can not repent of the sin of suicide and thus they go to Hell.

You either stand before the Judge with the perfect righteousness of Jesus
Christ, or you stand before the Judge with your own.

Jesus Christ's atonement is sufficient to cover all sin, including suicide and church gossip.

You have repentance and penance confused.

Christiana wrote:
See Isaiah 65:17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come to mind.

I am not settled on pre-mill, but the language of the Major and Minor prophets suggests a literal Kingdom on earth.

Rev 20:11 ...The Great White Throne Judgment...

REV 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away...And I John saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride for her husband"

Now, I want you to use your consistent method of interpretation and your chronology to defend your position here.

The problem is here. The Book of Revelation is full of symbolic figurative language. In fact, take Revelation 20 alone! Premills interpret the words bottomless, pit, key, chain, dragon, serpent, seal and season symbolically, but then interpret 1000 and years literally. Nearly all of the numbers is the O.T. have symbolic meanings. The numbers 3, 5, 6, 7,10, 100, 1,000, 40, 400, 4,000, 666 all have symbolic meanings. Most of the refernces to the number 1,000 in the O.T. are figurative.

Psa 50:10 "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills"

Well, who owns all of the rest of the cattle?

1 Chron 16:15 "Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

Does that mean 1,000 times 40 years=40,000 years? Does it then stop?

kenny wrote:
Dinwood wrote:
"Apparently your god will be defeated by school."
That may be the stupidest statement I have ever read on these threads and I've been reading them here for years.

[URL=http://www.hutterites.org/]]]Arminian Pietist Safe House[/URL]

We are taught to live in the world, but not of the world. Yes we are to educate our children "In the Lord". Yes, we have to re-educate the garbage that is taught in public school. But I can assure you, that I have to RE-EDUCATE my daughter every day she comes home from a private biblical fundementalist christian school. Not much difference. All man centred. But one claims to be religious, the other doesn't.

Our children need to know how to shine light in the darkness. They do this by living "in the world". The pietist movement teaches the world religion by their inbred colonialism, but this does not declare the gospel of good news. Christ communed with sinners and tax collectors.

Banned wrote:
Instead of milk and honey the land of Canaan was war, subjection, slavery, bloodshed.

You are denying the clear truths of scripture! They did possess all of the land of milk and honey and had peace on all sides.

Josh 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them REST round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

Read it again

Banned wrote:
Israel never got the Land of Milk and Honey they could have had IF they had lived up to God's requirements.

Joshua 11:22 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained. So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the LORD said unto Moses; and Joshua gave it for an inheritance unto Israel according to their divisions by their tribes. And the land rested from war.

21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

Banned wrote:
This is not the part of the covenant you were first speaking of: "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." THAT referred ONLY TO ABRAHAM. Don't deliberately confuse the issue.
Genesis 17:7,8 is explained in Galatians 3 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abrham... preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed...so then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham... Now to Abrham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ...till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;...and if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The promises of Canaan were conditional, same as Heaven is conditional (Deut. 17 and 28) A covenant is a two-way contract.

over come evil wrote:
(Daniel 11:21-39). From the writings of Daniel we are given some insight on this last world ruler. He will be of Jewish descent and a practicing homosexual. Jesus tells us that this wicked ruler shall descend upon Jerusalem, and that he will occupy a Jewish temple in that city (Matthew 24:1-24).

DJC49 wrote:
Sincerely,
*Banned*
(where's my hat?)

I thought I would never say it but, I miss Casob/JD Yamil and Pastor Garry Click!

at07peace wrote:
Jesus rejected the religious leaders who thought they were better than the “sinners”. I'm fat, & battle daily with gluttony, no better/worse than homosexuality. I desecrate what God has given me.

Yes at07peace, you are right

There are many on these boards who are experts at "the Law". Especially those who have a personal distaste for homosexuals

You know who they are. Whenever a forum on homosexuality is posted on Sermon Audio, they are right in there quick to judge. But I don't see them posting anywhere about the rest of the sins on the lists. Wherever homosexuality is listed as a sin for keeping us out of the Kingdom of God, so is coveting and other sins such as church gossip.

beckygoodlet wrote:
The reason I wanted to speak with the SoulForce members was to strengthen my own faith. I believe it is good to know what other faiths and ideas are out there in order to be strong in one's own faith. It would be ignorant to not hear their stories.

We strengthen our own faith by turning to Christ by reading His word. Listening to lies of the devil does not educated us in truth.

No where in scripture does it tell us to meet with people where they are in life. They are in bondage to sin. We can't meet them there. Preach the Gospel to them and trust in His word and His Spirit. Only He can release them from bondage.

We are not to preach people the Gospel to change their lives. We preach them the Gospel because we are commanded to preach to the lost. God does the rest.