Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks BM...will give that all some thought as well.
"Restraint rather than delight"
This goes back to Rodney's earlier comment as well which I liked as the way to view it all.

This verse may help your study Christopher. Also UPS’s comment will give some insight why Jesus said what He did about the Sabbath and keep that in mind with my comments about Matthew 5:18 and when the Law was to pass.
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Hey Bro James hope all is well, thanks for the verse.
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Hebrews 7:11-12

11 If therefore perfection were by the LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Dr. Tim wrote:
Since we are obviously never going to agree on this topic, let's just agree not to go shopping on Sunday in Poland. Except Poland, Indiana.

Christopher000 wrote:
The writings of the great spiritual giants, if I can use that term safely, are resources which can't be overlooked. No, they're not infallible by any stretch, but certain ones were greatly used by God, and the evidence is clear. Their writings, of course, need to be weighed against God's Word, but for the most part, they do a wonderful job expounding on the scriptures, aiding in understanding, applying lifetimes of experience, learning and leading of the Holy Spirit, trial and error, and deeper understandings by way of spiritual maturity, lifetimes of study, a teachable mind, application, leading of The Spirit, humble surrender, fervent prayer, and a genuine love for God and his Holy Word.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

What is the law of the spirit of life in Jesus Christ? And what is the law of sin and death in the scriptures?:

2 Corinthians 3:7-8

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

So we see the Ministration of Death was the Tables of the Covenant. It is signified by Mt. Sinai. This is the law of sin and death mentioned in Rom 8.

The Ministration of the Spirit is seen as the Law that was to come from Mt. Zion and give life.

It is referred to as the law of Christ see Gal 6:2 which are manifest In Christ’s Commandments and are summed up in:

1 John 3:23

Buckeyes wrote:
(2Tim 3:16) @Kev Ok, thanks I think I understand your interpretation better. So let me see if I understand your position...If this is not what you believe than would you please clarify your position.

Lurker wrote:
Amen brother and be encouraged in the truth.
Gotta go.

Buckeyes wrote:
(2Tim 3:16) @Kev Unfortunately I don't think your post answered my questions. So I will try to clarify them. Mat 5:18 mentions the heavens and the earth passing away. Why? Why do you assume that the fulfil in verse 17 has the same meaning as it does in verse 18 when two different Greek words were used? And finally why does he condemn those who break the laws of God and teach men to do so?

Luke 16:17

17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Dr. Tim wrote:
Well, I still haven't heard from a single Christian who observes the sabbath on Saturday by refraining from all work of any type. Therefore I think it's safe to assume that the ones who say they are observing the sabbath are full of beans and have no business judging the ones who make no pretense of observing it.

Another Michael wrote:
No, I am not a 5th degree black belt, but even as simple as I am I can kind of tell the difference between RESTRAINT and A PRIDEFULL SELF-RIGHTEOUS RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITE

Colossians 2:16-17King James Version (KJV)

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

If I told you not one letter was going to pass from my essay till 3p.m.
What do you assume is going to happen at 3 p.m.? As in my earlier comment I showed that the Old Covenant Law is the Ten Commandments and by calling it Old it is to vanish away. It matches with the below verse.

Matthew 5:18

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.

Christ FULLFILLED the law!

AM you keep using the ‘nice’ card. Was the apostles Paul ‘nice’ when he withstood Peter to his face? You want everyone to handle everything effiminately.

Trust me I have studied this topic AM. I have looked at it from both sides. I have found the verses used against this position actually reaffirm my position.

This ‘meanness’ is just opposing error and standing firm on what I believe.

The Psalm you gave is Christ’s words, unless you think you have come and the volume of the book is written of you.

Of course I delight in the Law after the inward MAN and who is the inward Man but Christ in you. See Rom

Rom 7:22

Hebrews 4:2-3

2 For unto us was the GOSPEL PREACHED, as well as UNTO THEM: but the word preached did not profit them, not being MIXED WITH FAITH in them that heard it.

3 For we which have BELIEVED do ENTER INTO REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Like you were saying this verse clearly shows that the rest is a picture of entering into the finished works of Christ by faith. This was the same rest offered to the OT saints but they entered not in because of lack of faith.

Like you said Frank this an issue of conscience that is dependent on the person. Here is a verse that backs exactly what you said so wisely:

Romans 14:5-6

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the TWO COVENANTS; the one from the MOUNT SINAI, which GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But JERUSALEM which is above IS FREE, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh PERSECUTED him that was born after the Spirit, even SO IT IS NOW.