1 Corinthians 3

3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Do you give spiritual meat to an infant?

Who were all those letters that you mentioned in your first part of your comment addressed to? Lost sinners or professing Christians UPS?

Idahomer wrote:
In Jeremiah 1,the Lord says to Jeremiah:
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Thus, the Lord not only determined that Jeremiah would be a male, but he determined his entire life's purpose as a prophet. No accidents on God's part. Before we were even born, He and He alone has determined our gender. His gifts, His calling and His gender selections are irrevocable.

Romans 9
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

God has loved us from the begining that’s why He calls us. It is not a love based on what we have done but what Christ has done.

Lurker wrote:
Hey Kev,
You've made your point abundantly clear and biblically correct.
I've been watching this thread for a few days and what comes to me is there are those whose love for the lost is so great that they are willing to compromise the truth to see them saved. I can only ask..... is this love for the lost from God? Is it acceptable to speak for God that which is only known to Him?
I have the greatest admiration for those who go out into the world and preach the gospel but I can't admire speaking for God that which He hasn't spoken.

Lurker wrote:
Hello brother,
I may regret speaking up but you've asked an essential question to which we all must answer..... No.
And for that reason, I have no right to speak for God regarding His foreknowledge of and plan for any particular person. IE: I have no right to say God loves or hates a particular lost person. However, I have full authority to say that God loves and saves sinners.
I'm at a lose as to why this is so difficult.
Thanks for raising the question, dear brother.

Did God love the Cananites who were without God and without hope in the world?

Do you believe that in Matthew 7 Jesus did once love those people then later told them I never knew you? Does Jesus or God change their mind?

Telling an individual that God loves them when they show no signs of repenting ie a stripper who doesn’t say a thing about turning from their life of sin is not biblical.

So it’s ok to say that God loves someone individually if it may not be true?

Do you believe God loves those He has no plan on calling with His Spirit.

Jer 31:3
The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Do you believe that God’s love is effectual?

1 John 4:19

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

MS wrote:
Hi Kev, have listened to this sermon in the past, and yes it was a God glorifying, sinner in the dust, exhortation.

We are talking about the love of God. Man is commanded to love all plain and simple as our hate is a sinful hate and God’s is a just hatred without sin. Can you imagine the teachers of God in the OT telling the Perizites or the Jebuzites that God loves them or Sodom? Has God changed and loves all where once His love was just set on His people? It has always been about a remnant of people that God is calling out of the world to the praise and glory of God!

Jesus gave miracles so that:
Acts 2:22

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man APPROVED OF GOD AMOUNG YOU BY MIRACLES and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

What about the Jesus who will come in the last day and The people will cry out for the rocks to fall on them to hide them from the wrath of the Lamb. Does Jesus love these people, or all the people He declares depart from me I never knew you?

God loves all things clean and pure. So since God is love and the natural man is wicked. What part of a wicked man does a Holy God who cannot look upon sin set His heart upon?

By all means answer my questions without going down a rabbit trail.

Malachi 2
16 For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore TAKE HEED TO YOUR SPIRIT, that ye DEAL NOT TREACHEROUSLY.

17 Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one THAT DOETH EVIL is GOOD in THE SIGHT OF THE LORD, and he DELIGTHETH IN THEM; or, Where is the God of judgment?

ladybug wrote:
Kev, I KNOW you will not take the bait and listen to a heretic preach, praise God for the gift of discernment. The double-mindedness of J.UK is tragic.

DD you may enjoy a sermon on SA titled: Arminianism another gospel.

DD wrote:
Mike, all that you reference from Eph. 2 is true and valid, but why did you exclude Eph. 1:4 & 5? Chosen in Him before the foundation of the world; holy and without blame; predestined to adoption...Actually, to exclude any of the first three chapters of Ephesians in this matter lends itself to an exercise in in unprofitable proof-texting. The way you are presenting this is that God did not begin to love His predestined elect until after they were born again by the Spirit of God. Scripture does not hint at, nor support this idea. See 1 John 4:19 and Rev. 1:5 for starters.

John UK wrote:
I mention this because there are some who would deny this atonement for the whole world, and they never tell others, "God loves you, Christ atoned for your sins." I find that very sad, it is shutting up heaven to them.

It’s sad to tell a lost person God atoned for their sins and Jesus loves them. When some day Jesus may say depart from Me...I NEVER knew you.

We are to work out our faith with fear and trembling! You seem to want to make the lost feel secure.

It’s easy to go to people with the message you tell them.

The biblical command is repent and believe the Gospel.

John UK wrote:
There seems to be confusion as to the atonement of our beloved Saviour. Check Ryle:
"I rest in the view of the text that in some ineffable and inscrutable way
the whole world's sin was borne and atoned for by Christ. "He takes away,
or makes atonement for, the sin of all the men and women in the world."
Okay? He continues..
"Calvin, in his commentary on this verse, says: "John uses the word sin in
the singular number for any kind of iniquity; as if he had said that every
kind of unrighteousness which alienates men from God is taken away by
Christ. And when he says 'The sin of the world,' he extends this favour
indiscriminately to the whole human race..."
John 1:29 KJV
(29)  The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
It's not rocket science is it? Just believe the Bible, and all shall be well.

I mention this because there are some who would deny this atonement for the whole world, and they never tell others, "God loves you, Christ atoned for your sins." I find that very sad, it is shutting up heaven to them.

John UK wrote:
Did I say that? I don't think so bro.
The Presbyterians call it limited atonement, the 1689 Baptists call it particular redemption.

My belief about the atonement is not rare but common, among those who believe the doctrines of grace. The position you hold might be found among the HyperCalvinists, but nowhere else.
Try Ryle, who says also in the John 1:29 passage, that the atonement is "sufficient for all, efficient (or effective) only for the elect".

2. If Jesus takes away the sins of the world which is in John 1:29 and that means all as your comment seemed to imply. What is making atonement but to take away sins? That does not sound like limited atonement to me.

3. Show me where one thing I said was unscriptural. You said I have ‘hypercalvinist beliefs.’

4. Stop your crusade to justify that you tell people God loves them when you know it may not be true.

Mike wrote:
ladybug, it can be granted that God loves his own, yet it does not answer that we who have been granted this love that leads to life, not at election, but at the new birth. (Eph 2:5)
Without hope, and without God (Eph 2:12)
Children of wrath (Eph 2:3)
Dead in sins (Eph 2:1)
If wrath remains on them that are unconverted, it means wrath was on all, but is removed from them who are born again.

Ephesians 2:3 When has God ever viewed His elect as they naturally are? He doesn’t view you how you naturally are now and has not beheld iniquity in his people.

Ephesians 2:1 All this verse is talking about is being born again.

None of these verses prove what you are trying to say.

Read Ephesians carefully and it proves the opposite:

Eph 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith HE LOVED US,

5 EVEN WHEN WE WERE DEAD IN SINS, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved