B McCausland wrote:
Kev
There is a constant need of bringing about the topic of Christian ethics here due to the lack of Christian character displayed often.
Definitely it is a sad predicament to observe such.
Please, refrain from insult, which proves my point again.

You called me a liar back a little bit ago cause I said in general you proclaim to have "Christian character."

It is easy to logically deduce from your comments you proclaim to have Christian character unless you lecture everyone else on it but don't proclaim to have Christian character and just lecture others.

hyp·o·crite
ˈhipəˌkrit/Submit
noun
noun: hypocrite; plural noun: hypocrites
a person who indulges in hypocrisy.
synonyms: pretender, dissembler, deceiver, liar, pietist, sanctimonious person, plaster saint; More
informalphony, fraud, sham, fake
"I've been made to feel inadequate my whole life by someone who turns out to be a total hypocrite"

There was no PERSONAL insult in my earlier comment BMC (please reread for proper understanding)you are reading into what is not there and making false accusations.

Ivan Karamazov wrote:
But hey don't blame me for what I say, it was preordained..... I'm just being faithful to my election

A Lamp in the Dark

Tares Among the Wheat

John UK wrote:
The last time I posted there, I said I would bow out of that thread (out of concern for SA) and Kev seconded it, so I am keeping to my word.

Ivan Karamazov wrote:
Any good Calvinist knows this is preordained before the foundation of the world......carry on

Amos 3:6

John UK wrote:
Kev, do you not believe that your will was set free from its bondage when the Lord quickened you?
Are you claiming that your will is still in bondage?
Are you saying that the thirst you have for God is a natural part of your will? Or is your will freed to seek God.
Now Kev, because the troubler of Israel is determined to get this thread closed down as well by sticking her nose into..

It is interesting you called Ladybug that “troubler of Israel.” That is what the false prophets called Elijah:

1 Kings 18:17

17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he THAT TROUBELETH ISRAEL?

You called me a false witness so I don’t think the conversation was going amicably. I showed you exactly why I said what I did. It is clear from your statement why I said what I did and you never apologized.

Now look at my response:
Kev wrote:
John I was the person who listed that verse and yes it is speaking of the same thing that is in The verse you gave in Revelation. Don’t think I didn’t know the **freely means without price**when you used that verse awhile back **to try to prove man’s free will**.
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John read the response of mine and how you used that verse. How was I suppose to take it?

Do you remember what I even said? Now view this in light of the comment I posted by you about that verse in Revelation.

I’m telling you my head is spinning in circles. Your flowery explanation of the verse you just used for a free will about Christ making you free is exactly what I’m talking about. That verse had nothing to do with man’s will. You had to do all that wrestling so you weren’t wrong.

Romans 8:2

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me FREE from the LAW of SIN and DEATH.

You are all over the place John. Pride comes before a fall.

I ignored your post because I don’t want to discuss what man has to say about the subject but what God says about it.

Concerning me and the law I say with Paul:

1 Corinthians 9:21

Be an Sola Scriptura man John. This whole thing of a ‘freed’ will is nonsense. What part of the natural man is set free?

I would have a lot more respect if you would just see you can be wrong. I’m wrong all the time in my private correspondence with many different saints. If I was shown on here from scripture where I was wrong I would admit it.
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How many times in the past have you helped me out awhile back and pointed me in the right direction?

Does God ever ‘free’ someone’s ‘will’ and they refuse Christ?

If there will was actually free then that means they have the power to tread the blood of Christ underfoot after having their will freed. Wouldn’t that be the definition of a free will to either deny or accept Christ? If everyone who has a ‘freed will’ comes to Christ how can you call it a free will?

Compare what you are saying to scripture:
John 6:37

37 All that the FATHER GIVETH me SHALL COME TO ME; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Oh I like those SHALLS.

John UK wrote:
Are you concerned, for example, about my statement that both Calvinists and Arminists believe that mankind has free will?
Okay, let's deal with that one first. Orthodox Christian belief is that mankind has free will within the confines of their sinful nature. I explained this at the time. And if you don't believe that, you are not holding to orthodox Christian beliefs.
This free will has nothing to do with "the bondage of the will" by nature, whereby mankind cannot do, think or say anything which would contribute to their salvation. Spiritually, man is dead in trespasses and sins, but he is not dead in terms of making his own decisions in life, even though these are bound by his sinful nature.
Okay, can we move on?

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to WILL AND TO DO of HIS good PLEASURE.

Romans 7:19-21

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

John UK wrote:
So...saying that I have sought to prove free will. How can man be free in his spiritual will when he is dead in trespasses and sins? Hmmmm?
Dead men don't do NOTHING.
So let's have no more of these false accusations, please. It does your argument no good, and causes you to break the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness".

John UK wrote:

Kev?
Does "all" mean "all" or "all the elect" or "all except blah blah"?

Lastly, before I turn in, it is perfectly biblical and orthodox, and both Calvinists and Arminians agree on this, that mankind has free will.

John UK wrote:
Great gospel text! But please note it says all who are thirsty to come. Same in..
Revelation 22:17 KJV
(17)  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

John UK wrote:
Think Cassius Clay - heavyweight champion of the world. That means no-one in the whole world has beaten him yet.

I would preach who God is. God is a JUST God and a Savior.

I would show them how they have sinned and the wages of sin is death.

I would ask them what they would think of a worldly judge who did not make criminals to pay for what they have done.

I would show them that the Judge of this world (God) must do right. Meaning He must punish sin.

I would show them that God has made a way for them to escape the wrath of God through the body of Jesus Christ.

Then I would tell them about the finished work of the cross and the Sovereign Grace of God.

I would tell them to repent and believe on the Son of God for the remission of sins.

I would tell them to seek the Lord why He may be found. I would tell them to seek God with all their heart and would point them to true Gospel preachers and mentor them.

I would also tell them they will KNOW with a certainty when they are born again and no one will see the kingdom of heaven without being born again.

Repent and believe the Gospel. How Christ died and rose again ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE

Acts 16:31

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved...

Tell them to search for Jesus Christ in the scripture. Help mentor the new Christian and make sure he is well feed by Gospel preachers.

Jeremiah 29:13

13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall SEARCH FOR ME WITH ALL YOUR HEART.

John 17:3

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and JESUS CHRIST, whom thou hast sent.

So you see it is knowing the ONE TRUE GOD AND JESUS CHRIST. Do some know the true God of the Bible? No.

What Did Paul warn about below?:

2 Corinthians 11:4

4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received, or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Dr. Tim wrote:
And please stop saying "the elect" when you know good and well that what you really mean is the ELITE, which is what you imagine yourselves to be. Maybe instead of "Pilgrim's Progress" you should go back and read "Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners."

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.

Maybe in your theology YOU are the ‘elite’ because you were the ones smart enough to make a decision for God.

My God is in the heavens and he does whatsover He pleases and none can thwart His hand.

If you knew what the Bible says about Election you would KNOW that everyone would be shut up from God if God didnt elect some to salvation. Your comments and your understanding is lacking like how words in the Bible are used like ‘world’ and ‘all men’. I think you should take the advice of MS in James 3.
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John UK

1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the WHOLE WORLD lieth in wickedness.

B. McCausland wrote:
Lev 16 and Ephesians 2 are both true. They do not exclude each other. The conundrum is man-made due to narrow minded lenses.
Christ's priesthood is more excellent than the levitical priesthood. No error there

You forgot the next verse which I originally included.
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Christopher, you got the right idea Bro. Well I’m off for the weekend. You guys all have a good weekend.
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Bonny I think you will enjoy this verse

Romans 9:6

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:”