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News Item1/22/08 1:16 PM
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Michael Hranek wrote:
DB
No! Shame on you!
The gospel is NOT God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. And you know this is NOT what I preach or post here on SA but rather God's love for the lost in context of the cross that they might repent and believe in Jesus Christ for the gift of God eternal life.
No need to get hostile.

You are a rare breed preaching repentance and faith. Most IFB consider that works salvation. They much prefer the easy believism of 1-2-3 repeat after me. It looks good for their numbers and maybe get their church name and picture in the periodicals.

We can both agree that C.H. Spurgeon, John Bunyan, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield, Adoniah Judson, William Carrey all had a passion for lost souls and preached the gospel to all men and desired their salvation. Yet according to some on here these men were satanic heritics because they were all staunch Calvinists. They preached and left the saving results to the Lord. They believed in what is called Calvin's Calvinism, not what is promoted today as High or even Hyper-Calvinism. HC's are as big of a threat to the gospel as the easy believism crowd.


News Item1/22/08 11:24 AM
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Michael Hranek wrote:
DB
NO! That's not my job at all.
I'm afraid it is. You are the one contending for it but not willing to back it up from scripture.

There is a love of God that goes out to the whole world. Just like a father has a love for his neighbor's children, but not the intimate love he has for his own children because they are his own.

(Jer 31:3) "The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee."

They were born into his family, he gave them life, he disciplines them because they are his. He doesn't discipline someone elses.

Another illustration. I love you as by brother in Christ, I also love the neighbor across the street who is unsaved, however since you are a part of my spiritual family, there is a greater love for you than for my neighbor who is not. Do I desire to see him saved, by all means.


News Item1/22/08 10:53 AM
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Here again Michael, it is up to you to show me anywhere in scripture where John the Baptist, Jesus himself or the apostles ever preached to the scribes, pharisees and all those who rejected Christ that God loves them and had a wonderful plan for their life. However, I can show you where Christ and the apostles preached the love of the Father for His own and to His own.

Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote:
2. If God willed unconditional election, why does he not simply state it in his word?
(Rom 9:11) "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth"

(John 15:16) "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:..."

Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote:
3. If God willed limited atonement, why does he not simply state it in his word?
To be continues...

News Item1/22/08 10:07 AM
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Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote:
Now three easy Questions for Calvinist.

1. If God loves only a few, why does he simply state this simple truth in his word?

(Rom 9:13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

(Mal 1:2-3) "I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3. And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness."

(John 16:27) "For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God."

(Joh 14:21) "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

(Psalm 5:5) "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."

Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote:
2. If God willed unconditional election, why does he not simply state it in his word?
Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote:
3. If God willed limited atonement, why does he not simply state it in his word?
To be continued...

Survey1/20/08 12:08 AM
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Yamil, so I take it that you do not believe inthe imminent return of Christ to rapture his church, but that it couldn't have taken place until some 1900 years have elapsed.

BTW, the historicist views of Larkin, JD etal are in good company with most of the reformers who held the similar position that the seven churches represent seven time periods of church history and that the pope was the anti-christ. The reformed group who are not amil are historic postmillennial.

And for your information, I am tired of your snitty little remarks whenever you reply to my post and it needs to stop.


Survey1/19/08 7:31 PM
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Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote:
Actually, its no contradiction at all. Imminent means that Jesus can come at any moment, NOT at a specific time.
Try again.
Any moment? What after the fulfillement of the seven church periods. That is not at any moment Yamil. Any moment means just that "any moment". Even as a fundamentalist I was taught that there were no prophecies that needed to be fulfilled passed the destruction of the temple in 70AD before the rapture of the church. It could happen at any moment. Then here comes the dispensationalist like Larkin saying that seven church periods have to be fulfilled before the rapture can take place. Sounds like even fundamentalist are divided on this issue. The imminent return was taught in the first century, they were watching and waiting.

Survey1/19/08 4:24 PM
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Something just occured to me. If the dispensationalist believe that the seven churches in Revelation are to be interpreted prophetically as seven time periods in the history of the church age, then it blows their teaching of the imminent rapture. All of these prophecies would have to be fulfilled before the rapture can take place.

The doctrine of the imminent rapture means that it could happen at any moment. There were no more prophecies that would have to be fulfilled before the Lord returns to rapture the church.

They contradict themselves.


Survey1/19/08 12:00 PM
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What I am wondering is, are these poll questions meant for discussion and sharing of opinions, or are they meant for debating and fighting?

It seem that noone is allowed to share their opinions without getting viciously assaulted and slashed on these boards by people who claim to be Christian pastors and teachers.

What I also find interesting is that if one comes from one side and expresses similar views and opinions f the other that differ from theirs, they are venomously attacked.

Case in point, I was trained in all of the ways and thinking of the dispensational IFB. After studying scripture on my own and seeing what exactly does the bible teach, my views have changed. What is interesting is that those who I considered brothers and friends in Christ have now turned vicious. Is this what Christianity has evolved to?

End of rant.


Survey1/18/08 1:41 PM
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kevin wrote:
And when he made reference to the meeting in the clouds in the air, I truly believe that he used symbolism into the clouds as being those saints in their white righteous robes.
Kevin, that passage "in the clouds" (νεφελαις ) needs to be consistent with Acts 1:9-11 "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud (νεφελη ) received him out of their sight. 10. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11. Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

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Mark 13:26-27 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds (νεφελη ) with great power and glory. 27. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."


Survey1/18/08 12:56 PM
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Moderator Alpha wrote:
Must this thread be closed to restore civility to the forum?
I strongly encourage all users to gather their Christian wits about them and conduct themselves accordingly.
Thank you.
Actually it has been pretty civil until the last hour or two. Give it a little bit. If these new posters don't get their act straight and contribute something meaningful, then I don't have a problem closing it down either.

I wasn't exactly pleased that some imposter tried to use my moniker late last night. I have a feeling I know who it was and emailed Steven Lee to check it out.


Survey1/18/08 11:25 AM
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Continuing from Scofield.

"4 Neither here nor in verses 14-18 is an original creative act implied. A different word is used. The sense is, made to appear; made visible. The sun and moon were created "in the beginning." The "light" of course came from the sun, but the vapour diffused the light. Later the sun appeared"in an unclouded sky."


Survey1/18/08 10:21 AM
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kevin wrote:
Are you familiar with his chart? And if so, what is your opinion on the chart?
I didn't put much thought into it back then. Really wasn't a fan of his thoughts.
Kevin
I do have a copy of it in front of me. It is in his book "The Greatest Book on Dispensational Truth in the World". I am not sure what he means by "The Original Earth", The Chaotic Earth" and then "The Current Earth". It leaves the impression that there was a pre-Adamic existence that was wiped out and God recreated the earth. I may be wrong on that so don't hold me to that.

This from Scofield:

"2 But three creative acts of God are recorded in this chapter: (1) the heavens and the earth, v. 1; (2) animal life, v. 21; and (3) human life, vs. 26, 27. The first crea¬tive act refers to the dateless past, and gives scope for all the geologic ages.

3 Jer. 4. 23-26, Isa. 24. 1 and 45. 18, clearly indicate that the earth had undergone a cataclysmic change as the result of a divine judgment. The face of the earth bears everywhere the marks of such a catastrophe. There are not wanting intimations which connect it with a previous testing and fall of angels. See Ezk. 28. 12-15 and Isa. 14. 9-14, which certainly go beyond the kings of Tyre and Babylon."

TBC


Survey1/18/08 9:20 AM
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Murray,

Continuing from Clarence Larkin's "The Book of Revelation" here is how the dispensationalist crowd interpret the 7 churches.

1. Ephesus (A Backslidden Church) 70 A.D to 170 A.D.

2. Smyrna (A Persecuted Church) 170 A.D. to Constantine 312 A.D.

3. Pergamos (A Licentious Church) Constantine 312 A.D. to 606 A.d. when Boniface III was crowned "Universal Bishop"

4. Thyatira (A Lax Church) 606 A.d. to the Reformation 1520 A.d.

5. Sardis (A Dead Church) 1520 A.D. to about 1750 A.D.

6. Philadelphia (A Favored Church) 1750 A.D. to 1900 A.D.

7. Laodicea (A Lukewarm Church) 1900 A.D. to the Rapture of the church.

Interesting, all of the descriptions of these seven churches can describe many churches today, backslidden, persecuted, licentious, laxed, dead and lukewarm. There may be a few that would be considered favored.


News Item1/18/08 7:50 AM
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Derek,
Persevere means to continue going foreward. Because we are preserved by the power of God, sealed with the Holy Spirit, we can continue on in the faith knowing what we are secure in Him. We do not have to worry ourselves frantic over losing our salvation, our salvation is secure.

Survey1/18/08 6:59 AM
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JD wrote:
MurrayA,
I think DB lies and I do not know what is motivating him now.
I am not the one posting under somebody else's moniker. As far as my comments regarding Yamil, I said "it looks loke" I didn't say "he is".

The previous post concerning Larkin is accurate. You follow the same line of theology he does.


Survey1/18/08 6:49 AM
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Murray,

No problem. Disregatd the previous post

"Your welcome. I would put him right out there next to Calvin".

It looks like Yamil is up to his dirty tricks impersonating other posters. Sermonaudio has caught him before and he has been caught again violating the rules of this website. Yet he calls himself a pastor.


News Item1/18/08 6:43 AM
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Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote:
ANy system of belief that orginated in impriosning and persecuting people simply because of a difference in a theological system is as cultish as the present day drinking the red koolaid.
Now that's the dehvastating truth.
Is that why your subjects are under bondage to comply and believe 100% what you tell them to believe and are not allowed liberty of soul and conscience to read scripture and study it for themselves?

Is that why we read some of the most hateful venom spewed out from JD on those who don't interpret scripture like his precious hyper-dispensationalism?


Survey1/17/08 11:59 PM
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Murray, this is from Clarence Larkin's "The Book of Revelation" from where JD gets his theological basis, not the Bible.

"The Things Which Are,"
and which inclurles chapters two and three, must be a description or prophetic outline of the "Spiritual History" of the Church from the time when John wrote the Book in A.D. 96, down to the taking out of the Church, or else we have no "prophetic view" of the Church during that period, for she disappears from the earth at the close of chapter three, and is not seen again until she reappears with her Lord in chapter nineteen. This we shall find to be the case. See Chart of the Book of Revelation.

This interpretation of *** the "Messages to the Seven Churches" was hidden to the early Church,*** because time was required for Church History to develop and be written, so a comparison could be made to reveal the correspondence. If it had been clearly revealed that the Seven Churches stood for "Seven Church Periods" that would have to elapse before Christ could come back, the incentive to watch would have been absent."

uhh, hidden to the early church? That leaves room for extra biblical revelation in the 19th century from the dispensationalist. I'm sure the 1st and 2nd century church found comfort in that interpretation.


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Mike, I'll throw out the same argument that Yamil and JD uses. Does Joshua 24:15 specifically state that you choose God for salvation or service.

Joshua is talking to the Israelites. They are already God's chosen people. God has already called out His elect from the world and made them His people and He would be their God. They were called to obey, worship and serve Him as God.


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Weapon of Mass Instruction wrote:
If you are not in 100% doctrinal agreement with your pastor (especially with such a polarizing issue as this) then you should move on to another church, instead of Lurking around subverting the doctrinal convictions of the pastor.
What makes you think I am not? My family and I are considering another church.

I am all for sound doctrine and that is why there is a thing as soul liberty. Seems like the baptist forefathers in the US fought for this to get out from under the Church of England.

God indwells every believer to guide them in all truth and their is no confusion with God. Calvinism does not have all the answers, but the do recognize that God is sovereign in all things, something which you and JD do not, but recognize your precious freewill as sovereign.

What I find interesting is that JD calls men like Jonathan Edwards, Goerge Whitfield, John Bunyan, William Carrey, C.H. Spurgeon Satanic. These men have done more to preach the gospel of God's saving grace to the lost and where sinners were truly converted. Yet these men were staunch Calvinistic in doctrine. They have achieved more for the glory of God than you can ever dream of doing.

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