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Survey2/26/08 9:52 AM
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So are you saying that his body wasn't glorious before he came down as man.

Remember, He was God the Son.

Are you denying John 17:5. You seem to have a problem with his preincarnate nature which leads me to believe that you have a problem with his preincarnate existence.


Survey2/26/08 9:27 AM
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If you do not want to believe the bible JD, that's your option. I can't help that.

You are so steeped in your dispensationalism that it has blinded your understanding of the scripture. Calvinist have been accused of the same thing. So you are no different than they are. I've been in good independent fundamental baptist churches for over 20 years and have never heard the kind of remarks about the word of God like I have heard from you. Either your are right and they were wrong or they were right and you were wrong. It is a waste of time presenting scripture to you because you reject what is presented. You want a scripture verse to prove everything, but when it is shown, you deny what it says.

Read the bible for what it says, not what Scofield, Darby or Calvin, Augustine says that it says.


Survey2/26/08 8:45 AM
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(John 17:5) "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

If you want to talk logic, Jesus was in his glorified state during the Old Testament times. He gave up the glory that he had to come down as a man to take upon himself the sin debt of the world and to die for sinners.

As long as he was present on earth, there may not have been a need for the Holy Spirit to dwell with believers. Christ dwelt with them. There was no need of the Holy Spirit to teach them, for they had Christ to teach them. There was no need for the Holy Spirit to guide them in all truth, Christ was their guide. There was no need for the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin, Christ did it through the power and authority given him by the Father.

Now that Christ is back to his glorified state, the Holy Spirit can resume His ministry on earth that He had before. Remember, the Holy Spirit is also eternal. He wasn't invented in the New Testament. He had no beginning and will have no end. He always was and ever will be.


Survey2/25/08 11:08 PM
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Independent Fundamental Baptist.

Survey2/25/08 10:37 PM
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Romans and Ephesians. Those in the IFB who do teach from Romans conveniently skip over the verses that pertain to election and predestination.

Survey2/25/08 10:32 PM
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jago, what makes you think adult believers don't bring up their children in the church or teach them about Christ just because they don't baptized them. As they grow in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, many of them will come to the saving knowledge of Christ due to their upbringing. Their faith is not in their baptism, but wholly on the merits of Christ.

Anyway, God saves who he wills. If he saved them because they were baptized, then you are adding works to salvation.

Lastly, many paedobaptist use the verse about bringing the children to Christ. However noone has been able to prove from the immediate context that they brought them to be baptized. You are arguing from silence.


Survey2/25/08 8:06 PM
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jago, Is infant baptism a necessary requirement for salvation?

Why are you so adamant about baptizing infants if it is not?

Why do you condemn those who do not baptize their infants if it is not a necessary requirement for salvation?


Survey2/25/08 1:30 PM
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JD, that has absolutely nothing to do with John 1:12. Those who rejected him when he came to them rejected him after he left. Those who received him and his testimony were his apostles and disciples. To those who received him, them he gave power or the authority to become the sons of God. It is not talking future tense, it was in the day and time in which he lived. Many Jews received him as well as a Samaritan woman, most rejected him.

(Matt. 1:21) "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

Who shall he save?
Who are his people?
What shall he save them from?

Don't tel me that every Jew rejected him.

Try again!


Survey2/25/08 1:03 PM
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(John 1:12) "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

John recounts the life and monistry of the Lord Jesus while he was still on earth. His disciples received his word and his testimony as well as the apstles, perhaps with the exception of Jusad.

Eventhough the account was written years after the death of Christ, the events he wrote about took place during Christ's 3 1/2 year ministry, not after.


Survey2/25/08 12:54 PM
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JD wrote:
That sounds fine, DB, but that is not a proposition that is advanced by Scripture. That comes strictly from human reasoning and is a false premise.
Human reasoning! I beg your pardon.

For the man who wants a bible verse for everything.

(John 8:34) "Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."

(1 Cor. 7:21-24) "Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 22. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24. Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God."

(1 Cor. 6:19-20) "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."


Survey2/25/08 12:05 PM
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JD, how much freedom does a bondslave have? Is he free to walk out on his master any time he wants to? Is he free to refuse to do his master's work?

Even as Christians, we are not our own for we have been bought with a price, the precious blood of Jesus Christ.

A slave is not free unless he has been bought by another master. In this case we were slaves to sin until Christ paid the price for our redemption and made us free from the bondage of sin. Our wills are still not free. We are under subjection to Chist as our Lord and Master.


Survey2/25/08 10:27 AM
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Whose son is he, JD and where will John the Baptist spend eternity? If he is not a child of God then whose child is he? Stand up before the God of heaven and tell us where will John the Baptist spend etrnity, Heaven or Hell?

Survey2/25/08 10:00 AM
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If John the Baptist was not a son of God, ever, then declare yourself to us JD plainly, whose son is he and where will he spend eternity?

Survey2/25/08 9:38 AM
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JD wrote:
Your statement concerning John the Baptist is right, but he was not born again and he is not a son of God, ever! He will be resurrected. More later!
That's a pretty bold statement JD.

If he is not a son of God, then whose son is he? Where will John the Baptist spend eternity?


Survey2/25/08 8:47 AM
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JD wrote:
Now, that is what he said! John was not in the kingdom because when he died it was still "at hand"! One must be born again to enter into it and the agency for that birth did not come until Christ died on the cross and was buried, and rose from the dead. Fifty days later, he was given and the kingdom had arrived!
Ah! Thus the reason for Abraham's bossom (sic). It was the place for the souls of the Old Testament saints until the resurrection of Christ (ie. Lazarus). Then could the souls of the OT saints enter into the presence of God.

Survey2/24/08 7:01 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
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I'm starting to think that Dizzy-spin-sationalists just don't have a very high regard for our Jewish brethren. Might have John Darby and the gang suffered from a wee bit of anti-Semitism?

Nah. Couldn't be.
It makes you wonder.
That was my thought as I read his post. Perhaps his brand of dispensationalism is, but I don't believe the majority of dispensationalist hold his view.

Survey2/24/08 5:48 PM
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JD wrote:
Trying to teach a blind man how to see is an impossible task.
I did not say anything about John the Baptist. Jesus Christ said it. I only quoted him.
Jesus Christ had been preaching the kingdom of God is "at hand". That meant it was not here yet but when it came, men must be born again to enter into it, yea to even see (as in perceive) it.
What worries me JD is that you also claim that an unsaved man, one who is lost, dead in tresspasses and sin, one who is not born again can fully comprehend, understand and respnd to the spiritual things of God and then claims that unless one is born of the Spirit, he cannot even perceive it. Which is it JD. You've contradicted yourself.

Survey2/24/08 5:09 PM
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Then according to your statement, Jesus was baptized by a child of the devil if he was not a child of God.

Survey2/24/08 3:40 PM
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DJC49 wrote:
So what of all the saved Jews? Whatever happened to their chosen and special status with the Lord?
Not a thing. It does not mean a thing to the dispensationalist. To them all the Jews that God called were a physical nation and that is all. It looks to me that they deny any kind of spiritual intimate relationship with God whatsoever. They were basically saved by obedience to the law according to Scofield, not through the Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world. At least judging from some of their comments here, that is how they come across. If I am wrong, then let them prove me wrong. So far they haven't.

Survey2/24/08 9:39 AM
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Mike wrote:
I was baptised as an infant and as an adult. Guess I'm covered.
Mike, my wife has you beat. Once as an infant, once when she saved herself at an altar call and finally when God called her and saved her.
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