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 4/17/08 6:51 PM |
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by faith wrote:
Regeneration is the result of repentance. #6 A lot of your friends do not even include repentance in conversion because they say repentance is a work.
If you believe repentance is necessary…I think there is hope for your full understanding You make a statement like that; Regeneration is a result of repentance and then talk about full understanding?
Before regeneration you are dead in sin - hence the need for regeneration. Before regeneration you are blind, you cannot even see the need for repentance because you do not now what sin is. Before regeneration you think you are able to do good and please God, just like Nicodemus the Pharisee. Unless you are regenerated you can no more repent than Lazarus could leave the grave before his resurrection. In the words of Paul I ask you, "What do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you glory as if you had not received it?" You think you were somehow different than those around you who did not choose Christ, so they did not go forward to become regenerated. Why did you and not they? What made you different? |
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| 4/17/08 6:21 PM |
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Peanuts Gallery wrote:
Would "none" also include the Calvinist or is there also a special meaning behind "none"? Your reply is not even worth peanuts! We are not talking about "Calvinists", but about sin.
Sin is not an action, it is a condition which manifests itself in sinful thoughts, words and deeds. It is a fountain which produces nothing but bad. In the eyes of the world man is able to produce relative good. But in the eyes of God even the very best, the most righteous work we can produce are as stinking filthy rags to him - highly offensive and not to be accepted in His presence. I gave a long row of texts below and you guys brush them aside with your philosophical nonsense. If we are not DEAD in sin, we would not need to be regenerated. If we were not totally blind to spiritual truth and reality, we would not need God to give us eyes to see. You do not understand grace because you do not understand sin. You think more of yourself than you really are. The Bible says you are dead in sin, you say, "No!" I am just sick. |
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| 4/17/08 3:12 AM |
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It comes down again to Total Depravity.
Gen2:17,6:5,8:21; Jdgs21:25; IKngs8:46; Job9:2, 14:4, 15:14-16, Ps51:5, 53:2,3, 58:3, 130:3, 143:2; Prov20:9, 20:11, 21:4, 30:12, Ecc7:20,29, 9:3; Is48:8, 53:6, 64:6; Jer 13:23, 17:9; Jhn3:5,18, 5:42, 6:44,53, 8:34,43; Acts26:18; Rom1:28, 3:9,19,23, 5:6,12, 6:20, 7:18,23, 8:7; ICor1:18, 2:14; IICor 4:3, 5:17; Gal 3:22; Eph2:1,5, 2:12, 4:17; Col2:13; IITim2:25; Heb11:5; Jms3:2,8; IIPet2:19; IJhn1:8,10, 3:10, 5:19.These are some of the texts that show man's condition because of sin. Put that composite picture together and ask yourself if a man in that condition is able to make a decision for Christ? Is willing to make a decision for Christ? Is able to see his need of Christ? The Bible says no! Unless a man is first born again, he cannot even see the condition he is in. Settle that one in your minds first, before asking questions like "Does God love everybody". Settle your minds about sin first - arrive at a Biblical understanding about the condition of natural man, then the rest will fall into place naturally. Then you will see that man is free alright - free to sin and nothing else. He is responsible to do good, He is responsible to repent of His sin and turn to Christ. But without God the Holy Spirit he can't - cos he's dead in sin! |
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| 4/17/08 2:58 AM |
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The word 'propitiation' has a two-fold meaning. Firstly it asks God to cover/blot out my sin and secondly to shield me from the wrath that is due to me because of my sin. It is what the tax collector asked when he prayed, "Lord, be merciful to me, sinner." John Gill's explanation below has much merit - the world or the whole world has that meaning, and does not refer to every individual in the world. Let me throw out a question; is God Almighty? That is, is it true what He says about Himself, that He does what He pleases, that He acts according to the good pleasure of His will, that there is nothing He can not do? All mighty? If this is true then the rest of the argument becomes redundant. Does Almighty God love everyone and does He want to save everyone? If He does and yet He is frustrated by sinful man, how can we still call Him Almighty? What comfort does Romans 8:28 afford me? It rests totally on the truth of vs 29! You take away vs 29 which tells us clearly that it are God's elect on whom He sets His love, whom He predestines to become believers and so bring them to glory. You take that away and vs 28 becomes meaningless. Then the difficult questions of our life are devoid of any meaningful answer for God is not in control - man is. God is not Almighty - man is. |
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| 4/16/08 10:38 PM |
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Moderator Alpha wrote:
Rightly so.
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To the poster named God Loves Everybody,
Before you enter another post please review the Forum Policies in the Add New or Reply to comment window.
SermonAudio is an open forum so disagreement is not unusual but it is also a Christian forum and we expect all our poster to conduct themselves accordingly with regard for the policies. Amen! Thank you Mr Moderator for that timely reminder. I would personally like to apologise and ask forgiveness for some of my more caustic comments which you have had to censor or remove. Debating passionately is one thing, but some of us tend to get a bit personal. Sorry, please forgive me. |
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| 4/16/08 10:34 PM |
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Daddy wrote:
I just want you to know that I love you and if you would not mind, I can be your daddy too. My mother warned me about people like you!
Jesus said, call no man on earth father, because your father is God in heaven. |
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| 4/16/08 10:32 PM |
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DJC49 wrote:
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I could be very wrong on this, but I believe that *God Loves All* has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek as he types his anathemas and facetiously flaunts the John 3:16 banner.
He claims that John 3 is about total ability. He can't be serious. Not with verses such as John 3:8 staring him squarely in the face. Sorry mate, but I don't like to get tongue-in-cheek when it comes to the Bible. We are talking about Almighty God and His Holy Infallible Word here. We are talking about God's children for whom Christ died. Having a disagreement and discussion is one thing but ranting like some demented fruitcake is different. I do not wish to be associated with people like that and won't waste my time on them. These people don't read anything they disagree with. I gave him a row of Scripture and he comes at me foaming at the mouth. Makes me shudder. You can talk to him if it makes you feel better - me, I can't be bothered with his kind. |
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| 4/16/08 10:20 PM |
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God Loves All wrote:
Jesus died for all!! Anathema on all those who disagree.
You have no Scripture and you prove yourself a pervert if you bring me any. I can't stand those who twist Scripture. I will prove you wrong any day.
God loves all men. Anathema on all those who disagree!!! Excuse me Mr Moderator - but I object to being called a Pervert and I object to someone cursing me to eternal damnation. I love reasoned discussion, do not mind heated debate - but I object to this vitriolic attack Mr Moderator. |
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| 4/16/08 10:16 PM |
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Read John Murray on "Definitive Sanctification". The Reformers always said, "Justification once for all, Regeneration once for all, Sanctification for the rest of your life." That is way too shallow. The Spirit of God will not live in a corpse, so He regenerates you. He will not live in an enemy of the Father, so He justifies you. He will not live in a toilet, so He sanctifies you. You are given a new heart in regeneration, a new record in justification and a new life in sanctification. These are produced by Christ but applied by the Spirit. And throughout your life there is a continual outflow of these three in daily repentance, renewal and forgiveness.
You see these three introduced in Joshua, promised in Ezekiel, preached by Jesus and expounded by the Apostles.
No - there is no perfection in this life. But neither is sanctification a mountain you climb whose top you reach just before you die. We are totally and fully regenerated, justified and sanctified in Christ's death and resurrection. He made a complete propitiation for all our sins and all whom the Father chose He gave to Christ and He shall lose none but shall raise them up at the last day. Then they will also be glorified and experience the perfection promised to them and bought for them. |
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| 4/16/08 7:58 PM |
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It all comes down to John 3:16 does it? Ignore the rest of what Jesus said to Nicodemus, ignore the rest of what He said about man's inability, how no one can come to Him unless it is granted to them by God - forget all that, just keep looking at John 3:16.
For God loved everybody, every-single-body, in the world sooooooo much, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever exercises their free will and believes in Him shall not perish but go to heaven. I am staggered at the ignorance displayed on this forum. Personal attacks on Calvin whom you probably know nothing about (by the way, Arminianism is the official position of Rome) is one thing. Ignoring large slabs of Scripture because it disagrees with you is something else. But to mutilate John 3, take vs 16 out, and parade it as the answer to every objection is nothing short of pathetic. Where does that verse say that God loves everybody - not in my Bible - not by a long shot.
Oh, and DJC49, sorry mate, but Paul wrote in Galatians 1:15-18 that no one taught him, but he went after conversion to Arabia. They say for 3 years, but it doesn't actually say that. They say Jesus taught him personally, but it doesn't actually say that either. Then again, they say that God loves Hitlers and Saddams, and Psalm 5:5 says  |
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| 4/16/08 3:05 AM |
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Bernard wrote:
You mean to be saved I must be born again? How can I enter again into my mother's womb? Likewise, how can you make yourself adopted, make yourself redeemed etc? Why do people confuse human responsibility, which is clearly taught in the Bible, with human ability, which is clearly refuted in the Bible? Can an Ethiopian change his skin or a leopard his spots? Neither can natural man do anything about his spiritually dead condition. If it is not all of God and from God then we are without hope. But God is the Author and the Finisher; He started it in election and He will finish it in glorification. Was Paul deluded when he clearly laid out unconditional election time and time again? Paul was a Calvinist!! |
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