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Survey3/4/08 9:05 PM
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JD wrote:
Regeneration is having the Holy Spirit again! I don't care what the WCF or Hodge or anyone else says. I care what God says
Regeneration is being made alive, given a heart of flesh, having your heart circumcised - call it what you will, but please call it what the Bible calls it. I care what WCF and Hodge and Calvin and Krabbendam say, not because of who they are but because they prove their case from the Bible. JD tries to prove his case from reason and human logic and then tries to find coathanger texts he can use to support his theories. And then he has the hide to accuse others of not believing the Bible. Yeah right!

Survey3/4/08 8:18 PM
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Bernard - you are right. These people can get heated over whether you should have a confession or not. Amazing.
Here is my statement. I BELIEVE IN ABSTINENCE FROM ALCOHOL! as long as it is in moderation. The Bible tells us to do all things in moderation, and that includes eating and drinking. Plese note that gluttony and drunkeness ALWAYS go together in Scripture.
FACT - Priests were not allowed to drink the day before doing their duties. If they were not allowed to drink at all why this law.
FACT - Jesus was accused of being a drunk. Wine bibber is a man-made word from a combination of two greek words which together mean someone who drinks wine.
FACT - the argument that wine in the NT was grape juice is impossible. It takes chemicals to stop grapejuice from naturally fermenting.
FACT - if you don't want to drink - don't. But you do not have the right to tell other Christians that they are not allowed to drink. They are not allowed to get drunk - but they are not allowed to over-eat either.
Get a grip on yourselves. This is a non-issue.

Survey3/4/08 7:20 PM
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Mike wrote:
For the sake of argument, say Piper is right. What do we then do with the born again unbeliever that must exist after the new birth, and before belief? (Consequence, remember?) It can't happen, not even for a moment, for there is no such thing.
The born again unbeliever? You mean the regenerated corpse or the raised from the dead person who is still dead? The blind who has his sight restored yet still stumbles in the dark or the one who was not able to understand or even to seek after God who is now able but still can't,sort of. You are talking nonsense my friend - in your desire to escape the obvious you are starting to sound ridiculous. You cannot escape the fact that before conversion and believing you are dead and incapable and that once you are made alive and your eyes are open you truly see Jesus for the first time. I understand why the argument must be made - because if regeneration must precede repentance and belief then the whole free will argument falls down like a row of dominoes. But if the Arminians can prove that one is able to believe before regeneration then their doctrine stands in its entirity. But the Bible is clear on what the conditon of natural man is - HE IS DEAD! end of story.

Survey3/4/08 6:06 PM
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Discerning Believer wrote:
Icon O' Clast,
If the ancient church, the ones founded by Paul and the apostles, didn't need creeds and confessions of faith, but only had the Word of God, not even complete, then why is it necessary today?
Apart from Ephesians, every letter written by Paul was to correct some doctrinal error. After the Apostles, and even in their time, false teachers came into the church. Revelations mentions the Nicolaitans several times. The only way to combat heresy is to refute it and then state the truth. That is where the Nicene Creed came from - to combat the heresy of Arianism in the time of Athanasius and the Nicene council. The council met to discuss the Arian heresy and drew up the creed. Likewise the Westminster Divines came together to hammer out what the standards of the Scottish church should be. It was not just a Confession, but included a larger and shorter catechism, directory of public worship etc. They were not propagated as infallible, they just were a written reflection of what the church believed and confessed in opposition to the Roman heresies. Believe me - Paul would have heartily endorsed the Westminster Confession.l It would have saved him a lot of heartache to have that document.

Survey3/4/08 5:56 PM
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JD wrote:
Regeneration is the result of believing,
So a person who is spiritually dead in sin, unable to see the kingdom, unable to enter the kingdom, unable to discern spiritual things, hating God by nature, not seeking God at all, gets up out of his spiritual grave like a Lazarus who is still dead and walks out of the tomb towards Jesus to ask for salvation and THEN Jesus makes him alive! Oh - I see! That makes so much sense, how could I have missed that?

Survey3/4/08 5:40 PM
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Discerning Believer wrote:
Bernard,
The bible explains itself. It doesn't need man's opinions to explain it. It is a self sufficient in its own rights and God is the author, the Holy Spirit is its teacher.
Yes, so the gifts of evangelists and pastor/teachers is completely superfluous - think about what you are saying. The Spirit uses the Word, but the Word must be preached and taught by people. The Bible is not a systematic theology. You know that yourself mate - give it to a novice and see how far they get without a teacher. How can I understand what I read unless someone guides me? said the Eunuch. Secondly, the Confessions and Creeds were nearly always laid down after a doctrinal dispute to combat heresy. The Reformed Confessions were written to categorically state what the Bible teaches as opposed to what the apostasy of Rome teaches. To say you need to creed or confession but the Bible sounds very pious. But that sort of attitude and approach always leads away from truth and back into heresy.
God is the author of Scripture yes, but it is also of human authorship. The Holy Spirit is our teacher yes, but He uses people to teach people. It is always the Divine and the human together.

Survey3/4/08 5:14 AM
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Bernard wrote:
In Luke 24, the disciples did not fear they were halicinating, but that they saw a ghost. Christ said, "Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."
israeltheou's Christ "is able to appear and vanish, to move unhindered through physical barriers such as doors, [and] to rise, unassisted..."
Sounds a lot like a ghost to me!
St Bernard - pray tell, what is halicinating? Do you mean hallucinating? As is seeing things that are not really there? If Christ had come out of the grave the way israeltheou thinks that would certainly have been the case. Good thing issy is wrong - wouldn't want to put my faith in a NT written by guys who saw things that weren't there. Seems more like something that rank heretic Benny Hinn would claim.

Survey3/4/08 2:43 AM
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Pharaoh only existed for one purpose. He was born to be crushed - nowhere does the Bible say he had a say in the matter. Proverbs talks about the wicked being created for judgement. The sons of Eli did not listen to their father, why? cos God wanted to kill them. The Bible talks about God actively closing eyes and ears and dulling hearts, of sending a spirit of stupor, of sending a delusion that they may be condemned. Peter talks about them being appointed to stumble and refers to the reprobate as brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed. Put all those together and what do you get? A predestination unto eternal perdition. Because the saying that God hates sin but loves the sinner is nowhere found in the Bible and is a rank heresy. The Bible clearly says that God hates the sinner, that He hates the wicked. You can dislike this truth, for it is not very palatble to us - but that does not change the fact that it is a truth. We must see our feelings and ideas in the light of the Word of God, not judge the Word of God by our feelings or formulate our theology from our feelings. Calvin himself called it a horrible decree - but did not deny the decree exists. And how could he, it is clearly portrayed in the Scriptures.

Survey3/4/08 2:32 AM
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sorry mate, but you are off your trolley. That is the sort of bullsquash the Jw's peddle at your door. The Word became flesh, and His body after the resurrection may be a glorified body, as we shall have when we are resurrected, but He remains Jesus the man who is also fully God. You can not now or ever divide the natures of Christ. Do that and you enter into the realm of cultic la la land. Jesus said "destroy THIS temple and I WILL raise it up in three days." he also said, "I lay down my life that I might take it up again." He did not die, He voluntarily gave it up and then He took it up again. You are well beyond left field with this one old son and outside the realm of historical orthodox Christianity.

Survey2/29/08 8:11 AM
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Who can give me some insight into this one? In Acts 15 during the Jerusalem council the issue is the OT law and the Gentile believers. In vs 10 Peter says, "Why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Then in vs 11 Peter goes on to say, "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."
In vs 10, what is the yoke, who are 'the disciples' and who are 'the fathers'?
In vs 11, in the part "we shall be saved in the same manner as they"; who is 'we' and who are 'they'?
I would be very keen to hear some opinions on the questions I asked.
Thanks!

Survey2/27/08 12:45 AM
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Bible Eyes wrote:
Hello Peoples,Gee i find it hard to believe some people call themselves Christians.Every time i read these articles some People just seem to want to attack one another or out argue one another.Just read your Bible and understand your Bible and you will not attack one another.Even you peoples whom think you are right.
Yeah, we should be nice to each other, like Jesus was nice to the Pharisees. we really should be more Christlike. Doesn't it say somewhere that He went to the Pharisees, put a loving arm around them and said,"Brothers, let's not fight. Let us love each other, despite our differences. They are meaningless differences anyway. Concentrate on what unites us, not divides us." You can read that in Matthew 23 I think. Or we could be nice like Paul was to Peter when he had a quiet word to him in the corner so he wouldn't be embarrassed about his little social gaffe regarding treating the non-jews like dirt. I think that one is in Galatians 2:14.

Survey2/27/08 12:22 AM
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Now I know why Mr J gave up talking to you. Think I will follow his lead. You are nothing more than a big yawn.

Survey2/27/08 12:03 AM
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You must be proud of your ignorance Cure, you show it off so much. Ritual purification has nothing to do with washing your hands before a meal. You can be fresh out of a bath and not ceremonially clean. Read the OT purification laws. Then read other posts properly and take the time to check what people say, including the Bible texts, before you blurt out the first thing that comes out of your scone.

Survey2/26/08 9:09 PM
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G'day guys - enjoyed my time away and it is nice to be back. I wasn't planning to stick my neck out on this site again, but I can't let this one go without asking a few curly questions. You see, the WCF says that immersion is not necessary. After years of study I have come to the conclusion that it is not Scriptural. Now, I am only human and Aussie at that so I could be wrong. But I am not as dense as some on this site have tried to make me out to be. So I want to throw something at you and see what you come up with.
Hebrews 9:10 talks about "diverse washings", in Greek, baptismoi. Some translate it correctly as diverse baptisms. What do you think it is talking about and do you think you could translate it "diverse immersions"? Not trying to be funny, it is a serious question and I hope for some serious, constructive answers.

Survey2/20/08 1:31 AM
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The Cure wrote:
Yes. It is the will of God for me to show how ridiculous Calvinism is.
Now you know why I said reasoning with these wombats is a waste of time. "Cure", I am sure that if you were a toffee, you would eat yourself. Like Peter J, another like-minded Aussie, I am formally announcing this as a chronic waste of time. It's a bit like reasoning with JW's - fun for a while, but ultimately pointless. I leave you, Dear "Cure" and others of your ilk with the words Dr Martin Luther wrote to Erasmus - one of the greatest minds of all time -
"Your God, my friend, is too small."
Happy arguing.

Survey2/19/08 6:55 PM
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The Cure wrote:
I know that you are used to hearing the gospel truth every time I post, but I assure you that that was not my intention from the previous post. I do not blame you for the confusion. It is really my fault: Truth just flows out of me. I have no control over that.
And this is what you would call serious conversation??? Give me a break! Peter J is right. I just spent some time reading many of the previous posts. I constantly find he has reasoned, intelligent argument supported by Scripture and you guys respond with personal opinion, conjecture and sometimes mis-informed personal attacks on great theologians of the past. I think it would benefit you much more to do some serious reading. Not the paperback "theology" in your average 'Christian' bookshop - but the guys you been slagging off at; Luther's "Bondage of the Will" would be a good start. I doubt you will find a decent theologian who is not an Arminian.

Survey2/19/08 1:37 AM
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MurrayA wrote:
JD,
CAN YOU PLEASE respond in a relevant way to the issues I raise!!!
You are not honest; you prevaricate and sidestep; you make a pretence of knowing a thing or two when you know nothing.
You got that right! Couldn't put it better myself. You give him Scripture, he responds with excuses, accusations, opinions and conjecture. As I said before, arguing with an Arminian is like nailing jelly to a tree. And the strange thing is - no matter what topic the post starts out with, it always gravitates back to this. I don't understand why. Let's face it, Arminianism has about as much Biblical support as Universalism. And let me tell you mate, you won't get much joy discussing prophecy. Dispensationalism is as nutty as a fruitcake.

Survey2/18/08 9:17 PM
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JD wrote:
What is the sovereign good pleasure and purpose of God, you ask?
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isa 46:13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
So from that you deduce that God is sovereign over Is 46:13's content but not over what I deduced. That is an awfully strange twist. Of course God's sovereign good will has to do with the salvation of His people. But it is HIS SOVEREIGN GOOD WILL, not yours. Listen to Me, you stubborn-hearted, who are far from righteous. Num 23:19; Job 42:1; Ps 33:10,11; Ps 115:3; Is 14:27; Eph 1:22

Survey2/18/08 8:12 PM
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Mike wrote:
Icon O'Clast wrote:
"The word "Freewill" is an oxymoron. The will is not arbitrary - it does not hang in mid-air. You always choose that which most appeals to you at that moment in time. Our decisions are based upon what seems good for us at the moment, all things considered. we do all things out of some desire, even if we are not aware of that desire. Yet the desire is there or we would not make that choice."
If our decisions are "based on what seems good for us at the moment," what is it that motivates a soldier to give his life to save another? Does he think "Oh, this seems good for me, so I'll get myself killed saving another?
Your understanding of the will is incomplete, for it excludes acts of selflessness, which in turn require the will to be free to choose that which may not be at all "good for us" Which, by the way, even the unsaved have unselfishly done.
You make your decision according to what you desire to do at that time - even if it means choosing the lesser of two evils. It is only when you apply this truth to salvation that it becomes clear. We are free to choose God, but we won't because we hate Him. We choose according to our will. God doesn't change our freedom, He changes our will (Ps 110:3).

Survey2/18/08 8:05 PM
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Mike wrote:
Oft quoted, for sure. Yes, God made the wicked. Doesn't say he made the wicked wicked though does it?
True - but it does say He made them for the day of evil. They are also called vessels of wrath prepared for destruction (Rom 9:22). It also says God allows them to fill up their own bucket of sin (Gen 15:16); He hardens hearts so He might destroy someone (Josh 11:20, I Sam 2:25); He prevents some from seeing, hearing and understanding lest they be converted (Is 6:9); prevents whole continents from hearing the gospel (Acts 16:6); gives them a spirit of stupor (Rom 11:8); sends them strong delusion (II Thes 2:11); appoints them to stumble (IPet 2:8) and likens them to brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed (II Pet 2:12). This is the flip side of election - commonly called reprobation. Not a popular doctrine but Biblical and logical. Whatever you do not elect you reject, right? If you have any objections, check out Paul's response to them, as Peter J pointed out, in Romans 9.
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