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 2/18/08 2:00 AM |
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JD wrote:
Icon O'Clast
The next thing you will be telling me is you actually believe that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
This, of course, will make your friends doubt you!
I already doubt you! God so loved the world (literally - loved the world in this way) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes (literally - repents, which is a gift from God; has faith, which is a gift from God) should have eternal life. I wholeheartedly endorse this text. I also wholeheartedly endorse the entire conversation from which it comes and in which context it must be seen. If you are not regenerated you can't even see, let alone enter. Literally! The Spirit is like the wind and blows wherever HE wishes. Literally! Whoever does not believe is condemned already. Literally! I don't care that you doubt me - not for one minute. I care that you have to disregard or twist so much of Scripture to avoid the obvious. Take away every text that disagrees with you and you have not much Bible left. Have you actually read the canons of Dort? Do you even know what you are talking about. Now I doubt you! |
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| 2/17/08 8:14 PM |
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The Cure wrote:
You can refer me as "The One Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned" if you'd like. I am such a threat to Calvinism that the very mention of my name cannot causes damage. I will refer to you as He Who Makes Me Laugh. You are about as much of a threat to Calvinism as a small dog is to a saltwater croc. Your every post is a statement to your ignorance in biblical theology and church history. First read about Augustine - then have a go. First read the Canons of Dort and then make a statement. You think all the reformers, all the great puritans, all the great theologians and preachers were ignorant but you are the fount of wisdom and knowledge. Calvin, Luther, John Owen, Spurgeon, Lloyd-Jones etc fade into complete insignificance in the light of your brilliant erudite statements. You are a fountain alright. But what that fountain produces could fertilize a market garden. |
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| 2/17/08 8:04 PM |
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JD wrote:
"If you would be so kind, please apply this to the "Gunman Slays 6 at N. Illinois University" thread." And that sums up from which position you formulate your theology. Apply the word of God to this or that experience so that Scripture may be tested to see if it is true. You develop your theology from your ideas and feelings rather than see your ideas and feelings in the light of Biblical theology. God says, "I am God and there is no one like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure (Is 46:9). YOU say, "Yes, but not really. In my experience this can't be true; what about this and what about that. Sorry, can't agree with you God."
Jesus said, "ALL authority has been given unto Me." YOU say, "Well, not really, because in my experience SOME authority belongs to Satan, and some more authority belongs to me because You can't save me unless I agree to it." So either God is in charge or He isn't. He either has all power or He does not. He can either do whatever He wills or He can't. Take one miniscule thing away from the power of God and He is 99.9999% mighty but not ALL mighty. |
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| 2/17/08 5:52 PM |
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How God would have loved to do something about that gunman; how He would dearly love to do something about the senseless violence in the world. Poor Almighty God, alas, His Almighty hands are tied and He can do little more than hold out a dismal, pathetic plea to those rotten creatures who just won't behave themselves. He is knocking on the door of their hearts, crying out, "Please, let me in! Don't you know I love you and died for you and have a wonderful plan for your life? Just make a decision, that's all it takes. One little decision and you will be mine forever and I can get something done." But alas, Almighty God is continually checkmated by those pesky creatures. All He can do is wring His hands in anguish and hope some will respond. Or He will have to do the only thing left open to Him, "rapture" the church out of the world so the "millenium" can begin.
What a lot of godless, blasphemous bunkum. Shame on you. You spit on the name of Calvin and you know nothing about the man. You scoff at the WCF and I am sure you gave it less than a cursory glance, let alone read it and checked its prooftexts.
But use your free will to believe in your toothless god. My God is Almighty and does whatever He pleases. |
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| 2/17/08 12:06 AM |
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The Cure wrote:
I believe the rapture will occur when the church no longer cares about souls. What you believe is irrelevant. Scripture is the only authority - your personal beliefs carry no weight. You guys think that all the reformers and subsequent theologians knew nothing, but you know it all because you have Scofield's work of complete fictitious fabrication and Hal Lindsey;s lucrative horror stories. You would have John the Apostle exaggerating when He greeted with the words, "Grace to you and peace.. from Jesus Christ, who is the Faithful Witness, the Firstborn from the dead, AND THE RULER OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH."
He is ruling now and to deny this is to deny Jesus own words, "ALL authority HAS BEEN given unto Me in heaven and on earth." This fulfilled the prophecies of Psalm 2 and Daniel 7:13,14. The millenium, Christ's reign, is now. But I guess no one is as blind as he who refuses to see. |
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| 2/14/08 6:22 PM |
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JD wrote:
Make no mistake about it
Calvinism is a false gospel! And that about sums up the extent of you argument. We come at you with enough Scripture to start a tsunami and you respond with intelligent statements like this. Arguing with an Arminian is like trying to nail jelly to a tree. |
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| 2/13/08 10:49 PM |
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jago wrote:
JD wrote "God does not require one to be elected, regenerated, or predestinated to be saved. He requires one to believe and the fact of your denials indicates that you men have not believed the gospel that Christ died for the sins of all men and all men can be saved."
This is a straight out contradiction of many different scriptures-including Jesus own words. John 17:6 This text is such a strong defence of the Sovereignty of God position (as opposed to Arminianism).
"I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." Those whom You have given Me - where does your free will come into that equation???
This tells me that the elect, whom God chose from before the foundation of the world (Eph 1) He gave to Christ. That is why Jesus could say, "All that the Father gives Me, WILL come to Me!" Not if they choose to, but they will come. Psalm 110 puts it this way, "Your (Christ's) people shall be volunteers in the day of Your power."
On your previous statement, "God does not require one to be elected, etc, but to believe", check Rom 8:28-30 - your order of salvation from election to glory - all of God and from God, may His name be praised! |
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| 2/13/08 9:10 PM |
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JD wrote:
So, are we being told two people standing on the street listening to the preacher tell the story of redemption through Jesus Christ and one can believe and be saved and the other cannot.
I am giving the only response to that logic that it deserves:
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha ha ha According to your logic maybe!
That's an awful lot of Scripture you are laughing at. The whole of the Old Testament is a glaring indictment of man, his sin, his rebellion, his inability to do good. Even the law was given to show that we are not able. You would say, with the rich young ruler, "I am able to do the right thing. Sin has not destroyed my ability to choose good over evil." How can you possibly open your own heart to give heed to the gospel? How can you possibly take out your own heart of stone? If God is the author of your faith ane the finisher of your faith, where does your so-called free will fit into the equation? I am not interested in your logic or you opinon my friend. I see in the Bible nothing but man's inability and God's grace. You add anything to that grace, anything at all - even your decision - and it ceases to be grace. Forget your humanistic opinion and logic. |
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| 2/13/08 7:24 PM |
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Discerning Believer wrote:
A dead person is unable to respond because he is dead. "Unless a man is born again (made alive/raised from the dead) he cannot see the kingdom of God."
In the Arminian's world everything must be back to front to be consistent. Adam went looking for God; Abraham called God; One can choose or decline to be born; One can choose or decline to be adopted; The wind blows where we want it to; As many as had ordained themselves to eternal life believed; The clay has power over the potter; Elect according to the good purpose of our decision; Predestined according to our purpose. And when Jesus called out, "Lazarus come forth!" a corpse responded. But I guess that's no big deal because Lazarus probably wasn't really dead in the true sense of the word. |
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| 2/13/08 5:49 PM |
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The Cure wrote:
That's the problem with the Calvinists definition of "death." One can't consistently apply it to its use throughout the Bible without making a mockery out of it.
That's the problem with such a theology that makes up doctrine on wishful analogies. Death does not mean "inability" any more than it means decomposition. You Arminians never cease to amaze me. You claim to take the Bible on face value, then go to extraordinary lengths to twist the plain texts that oppose your views. This must make you experts at twisting Scripture as the amount of texts which refute your man-centred theology are too numerous to mention. "You He made alive", well, not really because you were not really dead. |
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| 2/10/08 8:21 AM |
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Michael Hranek wrote:
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Born Again before faith? 
This apparently doesn't fit a certain type of Calvinism want to think which is right Hey mate - only know of two types of Calvinism and one of those is not Calvinism but commonly known as "Hyper Calvinism." The true Calvinist is a true evangelical and believes that people are saved by the preaching of the gospel. You will find all that if you read an article called the Canons of Dort. That was a Church Synod called to discuss the proposed 5 points of Arminianism. The Protestant churches of Europe spent 6 months or so discussing and ultimately refuting all the 5 points of Arminianism and writing against them the 5 points of Calvinism. History does not hold up the general opinion that Calvin wrote the TULIP points. In the Synod's articles they clearly proclaim the universal outward call of the gospel through the preaching of the word. But they have confidence in that preaching because they know from the Bible that God has His elect. It is in the Bible mate, can't get away from it. Elect before the foundation of the world, predestined according to the good pleasure of His will. When God says something you can only say "Yes" or "Yes, but!" I prefer to say Yes. You? |
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| 2/10/08 5:07 AM |
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Michael - you if you ask the wrong questions you will never get the right answers. Man is justified by grace, through faith. And that faith is also a gift of God. The Bible clearly teacher God's sovereignty AND man's responsibility. But responsibility does not mean ablity. We are not able to to repent, have faith, cry out or whatever while we are dead in sin. Dead means dead mate! Ever talked to a corpse? You need to first see what the effect of sin is. If you start with a defective understanding of sin you will never arrive at a correct understanding of salvation. Total Depravity is not just a theological term - it is a Biblical reality. Sin has left us hating God, spiritually dead, unable to see, hear or understand the gospel. If you do not see this, you have not grasped the awful effects of sin. It has not left man badly incapacitated, or very sick and needing the medicine of grace. It has left him unable - responsible, but unable. Rom 8:29, "For whom He foreknew (literally, fore-loved) He also predestined;" and further, "Whom He predestined He also called, whom He called He also justified, and whom He justified He also glorified." Check your Rom 10 text. To "Call on the Lord" is to worship Him (see Gen 4:26 et al). |
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| 2/9/08 12:08 AM |
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terry evans wrote:
Amen
Arminianism is blasphemy
But then so are all ism's (except mine)
Calvinism
Catholic-ism
Baptist -ism
Protastant-ism
Mormon-ism
Reformation-ism (sorry, forgot)
And the other 200 or so-ism's
One Way
Christianity
Jesus, those who follow him are called
christians, for the Bible tells me so.
Division-ism
Can you numskulls not understand that
NOT my words, but the thought does cross my mind. Forgive me You made no comment on the Scripture I quoted. By the way, I listened to the Paul Washer sermon you mentioned in another place and guess what - his ism is the same as my ism. Salvation is of God and from God, He is the author and finisher. He grants repentance, He gives you faith and it is His supernatural work - not your manmade decision. Your ism argument is a shallow red herring. We give the different viewpoints an ism just to differentiate them. You listed a whole bunch of isms that have nothing to do with each other. You are left with a futile, empty argument that carries no weight at all. |
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