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 4/16/08 3:00 AM |
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Bernard wrote:
I don't think that's what Icon meant, because, in fact:The monologue is from John 3:10-21, though I think that Icon meant the entire dialogue from John 3:1-21, because of his reference to the Holy Spirit, which goes where it wishes. Thank you Bernard for answering that so clearly and concisely. I do not appreciate Unnamed replying with the sort of dribble he produced below. But that is the Arminian way, answer Scripture with dribble. John 3:16 may be everyone's favourite text, but few know what it actually means. Some Bible "translations" have even changed the wording to "God loved the world so much.." Whosoever believes does not mean free will. It means what it says, that whoever believes shall be saved. It does not say that we are able to believe. All throught the Bible we are told that it is all a gift, even our faith, our repentance, our ability to believe. Yet many talk as if the key to the jail of their sin is in their own pocket. Precisely the opposite of what Jesus told Nicodemus. You are blind till God gives you sight. You are dead till God makes you alive. God chooses, not you. End of story! But that goes against the grain of our human pride so we look for "Yes, but." Afraid it isn't there, sorry Oh Nameless One. |
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| 4/16/08 12:44 AM |
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Michael Hranek wrote:
You may not appreciate this illustration, non-Calvinists might, a former pastor told of how he proposed to his wife telling her that he loved her and wanted to marry her. The choice to propose was his, the choice to accept or reject his proposal was hers and he had made up his mind to respect her decision and even if she turned him down he would have still loved her but he would never have married her. Nice story but it is not analogous to our salvation. Was his prospective bride a corpse? Was she so filled with hatred for him that she was dead to him? Christ died for us while we were sinners, while we were still enemies of the Father. We have free will, but we only ever choose that which we desire, that which appeals to us most. In our natural unregenerate state we would never choose God because we hate Him with a burning passion. There is none that seeks after God, no, not even one. You fail to see the true awfulness of sin and its devastating consequences. It left man spiritually blind, spiritually dead. Not very sick and needing medicine, but dead and needing resurrection. Until you see that you will never understand grace. You were a corpse, rotten and stinking. Your own mother would not have touched you, but Jesus did. |
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| 4/16/08 12:28 AM |
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Rogerant et al, Luther put it best in his "Bondage of the Will." He said that this was the hinge that would turn the church away from the Reformation and back to Rome. Every heresy that exists in the Church today has its roots in Arminianism, for it affects how we think of God, how we worship Him, how we evangelise, how we read the Bible. Jesus put it so plainly and clearly to Nicodemus, "Unless a man is born again he can not even see; The Spirit is like the wind, blowing where He wishes" etc. Yet they would have man seeing before regeneration and the Spirit controlled by the free will of man. It is the fountain of all theological error from dispensensationalism to the seeker-sensitive church growth movement. They forget that Theology begins with God, not with man. Salvation is about God and His glory, not about man and his needs. They talk about God Almighty, but they see Him with His hands tied, unable to save till man allows him. They see Him as desperately wanting everyone to accept His Son but so many refusing Him and He is unable to do anything about it. They piously quote John3:16, taken out of context from the whole monologue of Jesus, and accuse us of being unScriptural. Why they even pray beats me. In their theology God should be praying to them. |
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| 4/14/08 6:10 AM |
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mgarsteck wrote:
Paul said to drink a little wine instead of so much water, which is good for the stomach. Paul? Promote wine? Surely not! That would not be Christian!! He must have meant grape juice; pure, unadulterated, supernaturally preserved from fermentation, grapejuice. Anything else would be totally unacceptable. Timothy, a Christian minister, drinking wine. I am shocked! |
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| 4/14/08 1:27 AM |
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Dt 7:6; 10:15, IKngs19:18; Ps 4:3; 33:12; 65:4; 105:6; 106:5; 135:4; Is 43:6; 49:1; Jer 1:5; 31:3; 31:31; Amos 3:2; Mat 11:25, 27; 22:14; 24:24,31; 25:34; Mk 13:20; Lk 10:21,22; Jhn 6:37.53,65; 10:27; 13:8; 15:5,16; 17:6; Acts2:47; 11:18; 13:48; 16:6,10; Rom8:28,33; Ch 9; 11:4,7; I Cor1:26; Gal 1:15; Eph 1:4, 11; 2:10; Phil 1:6, 29; 2:12; I Thes 1:4; 5:9; II Thes 2:13; II Tim 1:9; 2:25; Tit 3:5; Heb 8:8ff; Jmes 2:5; I Pet 1:1; 2:8; I Jn 5:20.You got more room in your woodshed? Let me know cos I got scores more where these came from. They all teach the same thing; man is lost in sin, incapable of doing or choosing good. God chooses His own, Christ died for His own, He chose them according to the purpose of His good will, and those He chose He predestined to be conformed to the imgage of His Son - so they will come to Him, and will ultimately be glorified. You don't like it, that's ok, I understand, cos it takes away ALL your human pride takes your salvation out of your hands and into God's where it belongs. But don't start talking to me about woodsheds mate, cos on this issue the Bible is crystal. I can send you many dozens of texts, but I am sure you won't even read these cos your mind is made up. Ah, the primacy of the human intellect; it is the ultimate vice. |
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| 4/14/08 1:12 AM |
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Daddy wrote:
The liberating truth is that God never ever condones alcoholic beverages.
Of course one would have to actually care about what the Bible states. I wouldn't mind seeing a copy of your Bible, it can't be the same as mine. Mine is filled with the blessings from God which regularly includes wine, and which is even used in drink offerings. If you think this was unfermented grape juice you ridicule every text which talks about drunkeness. You don't want to drink - God bless you. But don't become a liar and say the Bible does not talk about the legitimate use of wine. Noah got plastered after the flood, and who would blame him for wanting a drink after what he experienced. without condoning his drunkeness, please note that his son was cursed but he was not. Grapejuice not only tastes awful, it does not gladden the heart, as the wine of the Bible does. Do a bit of serious study and research before you start accusing people of disbelieving the Bible just because they don't agree with your point of view, mate. That in itself is not kosher - but drinking wine, it is a blessing from Almighty God. Nuff said! |
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| 4/14/08 1:00 AM |
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rocker wrote:
Coora
are you saying that i don't worship god properly with my heavy metal? welll, i am insulted. as a matter of fact, as i listen to heavy metal, i remember that god has created everything, including heavy metal. that is how i worship god. if you have something against that, explain what it is and why. God did create everything, even the devil himself. your argument is null and void, for there is a source behind all things and rock music, heavy or not, does not spring from anything to do with submission to God but from rebellion against God. It is the music of chaos, rebellion, destruction of society and of morals. Changing a few words does not make it Christian. Just changing the words of a love song from "Oh Johnny" to "Oh Jesus" does not make it Christian. We are to stay away from the things of the world, not try to sanitise them and then offer them to God as worship. In the words of Malachi, "Offer it to your governor, would he be pleased with you?" We have lost the meaning of worship, and it all stems from our humanistic view of salvation and free will. In today's church the will of man reigns supreme and the will of God has been told to take a hike. Music is just a manifestation of a much deeper sickness. |
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| 4/14/08 12:54 AM |
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Daddy - I am glad you are not my daddy cos you do not know your Bible, let alone Calvinism. Many confuse Calvinism with Hyper-Calvinism, and I suspect you are one of them. The doctrine stands and falls on the first point of TULIP, namely, Total Depravity. If man is left spiritually incapacitated by sin, dead in sin and hating God by nature, it naturally follows that his salvation must be instigated by God, that he cannot even see the kingdom till the Spirit regenerates Him. If Jesus paid for every single human being (and "all" does not always mean that) then He failed in His endeavour. Then God sent His Son to die for people He could not save ultimately because they refused to exercise their free will. Try to understand the difference between the revealed and secret will of God (Deut 29:29). If God decreed from eternity to save every human being then He is not Almighty, for He failed. His revealed will is that He commands all men to repent. But His decree, the same decree that pre-determined the cross (Acts 2:23) He has determined His people. You cannot escape this truth as it is taught in the Bible from cover to cover. It boils down to this mate, who is Almighty - God or man. In your theology man is, whether you admit it or not. The true Calvinist gives all the glory to God! |
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| 4/13/08 5:33 AM |
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Derek wrote:
Another thing. I think the question is wrong. I think it should be "for WHAT did Christ die?"
He died for sin. Remember the Holy Spirit came to convict the world of Sin. And if he died to be the payment for sin, and I am a sinner by nature, as is all the World, whom God loves, then he died for my plague, and the plague of everyone that comes into the world - sin. Paul realized this, and to this he realized he was chief.
I praise God he didn't die for Someone, but for something. I praise God He died for Me - and I am not a 'something'. I praise God that He chose me, for I know that in my sinful, spiritually dead state I would never have chosen Him. I praise God that of all the Father gave the Son He will lose nothing but will raise it up at the last day - that is, all He came to die for. He did not die in vain for He came to seek and to save that which belonged to Him and He purchased His bride, complete and without spot or blemish. For whom did Christ die? For His church, for His sheep, for those whom the Father gave Him before the foundation of the world. To say that He died for someone, anyone, He subsequently lost is to go against everything God is and everything the Bible says. |
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| 4/11/08 1:46 AM |
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Much of what is happening in many churches these days may be called worship, but is nothing short of man-centered, man-pleasing social interraction of a religious nature. It manifests itself in how people dress, how they treat church like a party (even calling it a celebration), in the shallow bordering-on-godless music and in the even more shallow so-called preaching. Some have become more honest and changed the terminology. A Church is now a "Worship" of "Praise" Centre; Bible study groups are now "Growth Groups", Sermons are "Bible Talks" and any song that is not a Psalm or a Hymn is called a "Praise" song. All throughout the Bible worship is defined as sinners coming into the presence of a Holy God, via a sacrifice through a Mediator. It was God who described and prescribed what He would and would not accept. Worship was not for the people, it was for God. You could only bring the best of the best; the firstfruits, unblemished. Now we come into His presence, dressed like we just came off the beach, do what we like, sing what pleases us, talk to God and about God as if we are half a notch below His level and we have the gall to call it worship. You can call it what you want but it has nothing to do with Christianity and it has nothing to do with the Bible. |
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| 4/10/08 9:49 PM |
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So a soul is dead in sin, lost, in darkness, blind, without God and without hope - then he is found, the Holy Spirit regenerates him, he is transformed from darkness into light and from the kingdom of Satan to the kingdom of God. He is now saved, spiritually alive, has eyes to perceive and a heart that loves God. He is born again, justified and sanctified and is bound for glory. He believes that all things work for good for those who love God, for he knows he was called according to God's purpose and will be glorified. Then he experiences a glitch, a hiccup. Sin re-enters his life and takes hold of him again. His faith diminishes, the Spirit leaves him, he becomes unjustified and unsanctified. He goes back from life to death, from light to darkness. He has gone from saved to unsaved. He once was saved but now is lost, could see but now is blind. Ca
Can you not see what a hellish, accursed doctrine this is?? Salvation is of God and from God, He is the Author and Finisher and will complete what He begun. Anything else is blatant heresty. If someone leaves the faith it is because they were never saved to start with, as John tells us so clearly and plainly. For God's sake, stop this nonsense and see salvation for what it is - the work of God, not of man. |
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