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 8/31/07 10:02 PM |
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Good post, MurrayA. I have been trying to get that same point across to the folks in my congregation. We think we are persecuted when someone frowns at us for praying in a restaraunt, while our brothers and sisters in Christ around the world lose homes, property, rights, they are beaten, imprisoned, tortured, and sometimes killed. We need a good dose of persecution to wake us up and to separate the sheep from the goats (and not in a dispensational way, JD). All to many American christians think we will be zapped out of here before anything to bad happens. I say that we, of all "believers" need to be tested. We are definitely not a better breed of christian than our fellow saints around the world. Thanks for the reminder, MurrayA! |
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 8/31/07 6:42 PM |
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Ernie GI never said Mike V.wasn't saved.What I said was that this whole thing is suspect.My point was to point out the infatuation that people like you have with celebs and their Jesus status.It doesn't matter what they say or do,a simple, "I got Jesus" is enough for you folks!Even Jesus said that it took more than words. Tell you what,let's both give the man a chance to "bring forth fruits meet for repentance" before we go either way. You must,though,quote more than a couple of verses that talk abouot profession of faith because every NT writer concluded (by the inspiration of God) that a faith that does not result in a changed life is a dead faith.Saving faith and obedient faith cannot be divorced from one another!
One other thing,your anger and judgment toward me is hypocritical considering that you expect me to pour out gushing love toward Mike V.Look in the mirror,man.Maybe you will see the beam!!
From what I am seeing from numerous posters is that pastors are supposed to be nice guys who keep their mouths shut!Guess what,folks?Ain't gonna happen!The church in USA is impotent, lethargic,and apathetic.If it takes me being hated by you types,than so be it.My Jesus means to much to me for it to be otherwise!!Stick that in your sloppy agape agape and hug it!! |
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| 8/30/07 8:02 PM |
| Cbcpreacher | | NY | | | |
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MurrayA and JD, I have to say that as this discussion goes on, I can understand why people accept covenant theology over dispensational theology. I thought I knew a good part of dispensational theology (I took a course in Bible school), but I had never heard the things that you, JD, are espousing until this forum. On the other hand, because of these threads, I have taken a look at covenant theology, and I notice two things: 1)It let's the Bible speak for itself; and 2) It is much simpler. I haven't changed my position on these things yet, but as this discussion goes on, I will be praying, watching, and studying very carefully. Thank you to each one who has been a part of this discussion. It has caused me to further seek out what THE BIBLE has to say, not just some system that I was taught. |
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| 8/30/07 11:14 AM |
| Cbcpreacher | | NY | | | |
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Vick makes an interesting statement, " think that's the right thing to do as of right now". Unfortunately, he has done what many people, not only celebrities, do, he is "finding Jesus" to help him fix his problems. Why? Because to many people preach a man-centered gospel. "Come to Jesus, and He will take care of all your problems." And again, unfortunately, he will, except by the grace of God, end up like a lot of these so-called "saved" folks, he will finish his time and just go on doing his own thing, as if he had never "met" Jesus. A man-centered gospel equals no gospel at all. This is why we need to preach the sovereignty of God and the doctrines of grace. Salvation is all about God; who He is, what He has done, and that the glory goes to no one but Him!! |
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| 8/30/07 10:56 AM |
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Lance, "None of us, even Mary, has a right to heaven, and God would be perfectly just in denying it to all." You are accusing God of being unjust in Mary's case if she was perfect because the Bible says that it is SIN that has severed our relationship with God, it is SIN that has caused Him to turn His face from us, and it is SIN that denies entry into Heaven and an eternity in Hell! If Mary had no SIN, then God would be unjust in sending her to Hell. Common sense!
Your Little play with words about "ascend" and "assumption" doesn't deny the fact that you believe Mary was equal to Jesus in a lot of ways: sinless (in birth and in life) and taken up to Heaven in a physical, sinless body. By the way, neither of these "truths" are found in the Bible. You are being duped, Lance, and the price is steep; eternity in Hell! |
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| 8/29/07 9:40 PM |
| Cbcpreacher | | NY | | | |
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Lance, I'm sorry that you can't see how absurd your statement is.
The requirement for Heaven is only perfection. If a person is sinlessly perfect, as you state that Mary was, and, I assume, is, then she didn't need a savior. A savior is someone who saves you from something. Being human is not something to be saved from. Did Adam need a savior before he sinned? NO! If he had remained perfect, he would have continued having perfect fellowship with God. Jesus is now in Heaven with a perfect HUMAN body. Doesn't the RCC teach that Mary ascended into Heaven? (Please correct me on that if I'm wrong). But, if she did, then she must have gone exactly as Jesus did. If that is the case; sinlessly perfect, bodily ascended, then she didn't need a savior. Common sense, Lance. |
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| 8/29/07 9:07 PM |
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Mike, you don't know how hard I tried to get every word right  I do have to admit though, I wasn't the one aspiring to the position of English teacher, and, it was fun while it lasted!!  |
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| 8/29/07 8:27 PM |
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Lance, do you realize the absurdity of your statement, "you're right. Mary herself, although sinless, could not have gotten into heaven without a Savior"? If she was sinless, she wouldn't need a savior! Did Jesus need a savior to get into Heaven? He was (is) sinless! Mary was born with a sin nature, and Mary, I'm sure, sinned, just like every other human being born with a sin nature. Please, Lance, see the foolishness of these teachings, think for yourself, and get away from this false, works based system! For your sake! |
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| 8/26/07 10:04 PM |
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The hardest thing about hyper-dispensationalism is that there is a nugget of truth in it. Not all scripture is TO us (the ceremonial law of the OT for example). But to shred the Bible the way JD does seems almost sacreligious to me. If so much of it is not for the church, why did God give it to us? What you are basically saying, JD, is that the only writer really relevant to us, as believers, is Paul. Everything else we are to study and learn, but it is only for the Jews. I also have problems with, "The gentiles were not included in the redemptive plan of God until after the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and much later even than the Jews." The Bible says, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"Eph. 1:14. Notice, these words were written by Paul to all believers in Ephesus. Also note the WHEN of this verse, "chosen us in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD." In your dispy plan, JD, the church may have been a plan B, but not in the Word of God! |
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