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 8/26/07 9:32 PM |
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Pastor Ron, we should never quote Eph. 2:8, 9 without also quoting verse 10. Verse 10 tells us WHAT the reason is for verses 8 and 9. God didn't just save us so that He could have company in Heaven. Verse 10 says, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should WALK IN THEM." Salvation is definitely by grace through faith ALONE, but it was for a purpose, and that purpose was not so that we could continue in our sin. That is not legalism, it is obedience. Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15 |
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 8/26/07 2:38 PM |
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JD, I have often wondered just how far you would go with this dispensationalist idea, and I see that, in spite of all your wranglings about the hyper-Calvinists on this site, that you are, in fact, a hyper-dispensationalist! For the sake of time, why don't you inform us exactly what parts of the Bible are to us. It would be interesting to see, since the church has been a part of God's plan from before eternity, how little you actually believe is to the church By the way, I mean the whole church, not the part to Jews and the part to Gentiles). I wait eagerly for your reply. |
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| 8/24/07 8:11 PM |
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Abigail and KK, I don't think Wistens was using the quote both of you reposted as his own, he was using it to show the ridiculous nature of the culturally popular version of OSAS. He believes, as I do, in the perseverance of the saints. What this means is that God does the saving AND the keeping. However, the big difference between the current OSAS belief and perseverance of the saints is that the latter NEVER divorces saving faith from obedient faith. The two always go hand in hand. Many passages that talk about the choosing, or election, of people, also talks about them being ordained to, or elected to, good works. It is unfortunate that Eph. 2:8 and 9 are often quoted without verse 10. Without verse 10, the other two verses are incomplete. That is why Abigail's point about repentance is really quite relevant. Jesus didn't die to save us from Hell only. He died to save us from sin:it's power, its shame, and its punishment. You can't separate salvation from repentance any more than you can separate saving faith from obedient faith. Obedience is to be the natural result of true saving faith. Is this works based salvation? No. It is the evidence that true saving faith is a part of the believers life. |
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| 8/21/07 10:16 AM |
| Cbcpreacher | | NY | | | |
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JD, "No such thing, Cbc and I am surprised that one who is taking money as a preacher would preach something that cannot be taught from the Bible." Why do you assume I get paid? Ever heard of a bi-vocational pastor? Please, don't assume.
"But I weary in pointing these things out." Very well, JD, I will be done with this discussion. I do want to remind you, though, that if you think I, and others, are in apostasy, then according to 2 Tim. 2:25 you have a responsibility to try to correct us. God bles you, brother. Maybe we will get to discuss scripture another time  |
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| 8/20/07 7:00 PM |
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Hopalong, I am going to ignore you from here on out because your comments are ridiculous and add nothing to the discussion.
JD, I apologize for not getting back to you yesterday. "Thankfully, there are different degrees to which ones will take this teaching and some, as you, are not yet "hypers"." And I want you to know, I never will be. In regard to your question about how I evangelize, yesterday I preached on the love of God, and part of my message emphasized God's electing love. At the end of my message I gave an invitation to salvation, specifically telling people that they should not be asking themselves if they are elect or not. Instead, I gave an invitation to all, pointing out God's grace, and that, if they were convicted of their sin and saw their need for Christ, it was their responsibility to respond (man's responsibility) and to leave the election part up to God(God's sovereignty. Like Spurgeon, I believe these two truths are not contradictory, but complimentary to one another. How that works is a mystery that God has chosen not to reveal to us, nor do I think we could understand it anyway. My call to salvation is always a general call, the effectual call is the Holy Spirit's job. I just obey the command to preach the gospel. |
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| 8/17/07 8:05 PM |
| Cbcpreacher | | NY | | | |
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Thank you,JD,for discussing these things in a way that shows you are concerned about the welfare of those your corresponding with.First,I have not been brainwashed by Calvin.I read precious little of his writings and I do not consider myself a Calvinist.I adhere to the doctrines of grace and, as far as I know,that is the extent of my parallel to Calvin.I do not agree with infant baptism nor do I agree with covenant theology.I believe in the pre-trib rapture of the church, the 1,000 year reign of Christ,the completion of the promises to the nation of Israel,and many of the other doctrines that you,yourself,have expressed.My understanding of what I see in the doctrines of grace,for the greater part,came from my own study of the scriptures.From the beginning of my christian walk,some 30 years ago,I had no problem seeing the total depravity of fallen man,and the absolute need of the intervening grace of God to restore spiritual life to him.I didn't fully understand unconditional election,but I knew that was how God chose Israel(Deu. 7:6-8). I can't understand why people can see this in the OT,but refuse to accept it when it comes to salvation.I give a hearty amen to your comments about the apostasy in today's world,but I don't think the doctrines of grace fall into that apostasy. |
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| 8/17/07 5:22 PM |
| Cbcpreacher | | NY | | | |
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JD,thank you for your response to my questions(by the way, Hopalong, sometimes your two cents really isn't needed. JD responded in a respectable way, your comment just shows your need for attention).
"You are brainwashed and people outside your group can see it clearly."That is a strawman argument, JD,because our "camp" could say the same about yours.Does that make it true?We need to stop playing that game.
The real issue here is that we could go round and round for decades(I think that has already been happening with theologians a lot smarter than us). The arguments never change and neither do the attitudes.I tried to disagree agreeably and it didn't help.You call me apostate, "This is a great apostasy and I am trying to help",while I said that you may not understand,but that I would not question your salvation. This really boils down to each of us feeling the need to be right.I know what I believe,and I believe it because I honestly see it as what the Bible teaches.If that makes me apostate by your standards,so be it. I will stand before God as my Judge (both as a christian and as a pastor).To teach differently would make me a liar,and that I will not do until such time as my theology may change.I will be praying for you,JD, as well as others on here.Thank you to all. |
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| 8/14/07 8:12 PM |
| Cbcpreacher | | NY | | | |
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JD, "there is no other kind of will than free". How about a will that is in bondage? Ask a slave how free his will is. You should reaaly think before you spout off. "What I think though that you are saying is..." Please don't try to speak for me because I am able to do that for myself. The will of every man (that will that is in bondage to sin or the will of the one who has been redeemed) is subject to the will of God. Ask Nebuchadnezzar, ask Pharoah, ask the apostle Paul, and many others in scripture who had plans of their own and were overruled by the One who rules all!
"You are willingly preaching a false gospel", wrong! I am preaching the gospel ordained by God to be preached. I have, by the grace of God and the calling of His Spirit, responded to the effectual call sent out to all of the elect. Understand, JD, I am not saying you have to believe this to be saved. The elect can respond without a full understanding of these truths and still be elect. I refuse to say that you are not saved because you don't adhere to, or accept, the doctrines of grace. We can never be humbled enough until we realize that, if it weren't for God's grace, NO ONE would be saved. The glory is His, and His alone! |
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| 8/14/07 7:07 PM |
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With regard to Romans 9, isn't it intersting that Paul expected the same response that those who disagree with unconditional election on this site give? He knew that there would be those in his time who would respond, "that wouldn't be fair (according to HUMAN reasoning)! So Paul wrote, "hou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory." I think that, in and of itself, says it all. You free-will folks are bearing out the truth of the Bible by your response. Thank you! |
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| 8/9/07 7:48 PM |
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JD-Your comment in reference to Matt. 1:21-"It is a statement about why he came to Israel. It makes no further statement about sin or salvation".Israel is NOWHERE mentioned in the text.
My quote,"Your text in John is not about salvation,but the rejection of Jesus Christ by His own people".This was a quote regarding your use of John 1:11 and "his people" rejecting Him.You now jump to 1:12 which is a verse about "all who believe".This is not the same group of verse 11.Verse 11-the Jews;verse 12-those who come to Christ.Stop playing games with the texts.
When did John 6 come into the discussion?
"Pride drips off of you, CBCpreacher. You so desire to be one of a few special choices of God and rejoice that others have no hope. What kind of man are you?" You, JD, seem to be more emphatic then anyone, consigning people to mental illness, hell, or some character defect when they disagree with you, and yet I'm the one with pride? I don't think so. I only see myself as "a special choice of God" because His Word tells me I am, by His grace, through the finished work of Christ. You see anyone who disagrees as less than you. You are the one who believes that God is lucky to have you on His side. Guess what? He doesn't NEED either one of us, so get over yourself! |
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| 8/9/07 6:32 PM |
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JD-"It is so sad to me to see an otherwise intelligent person like yourself reduced to a fool by your own free will and choice."You point the finger at me, but three are pointing back at you.You didn't answer the questions I posed to you,but I'm the fool?Read my post again and answer the questions.
"It is so unwise to build your soteriological theology from passages that do not deal with the mechanics of salvation".Last I knew,sin, which Matt.1:21 refers to,is a key element of the soteriological issue.Your text in John is not about salvation,but the rejection of Jesus Christ by His own people.I pointed out the difference in these two passages to you.You chose to ignore them AND the question you must answer if they both mean the same exact people.
Even though Jesus came to the people of Israel first,is it not true that Gentiles were presented with the truth of who Jesus was even while He walked in Israel?The Samaritan woman,the Roman centurion,and others come to mind.Even in the OT,the Gentiles were never FULLY excluded from knowing the true God.
Now about your intelligence."There are men locked up in prison that are more honest than you". Why is it necessary to question my integrity because I don't agree with you?Does it make you feel better?Trying to impress Yamil?What? |
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| 8/9/07 5:25 PM |
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JD, you tell me context. My reference was Matthew 1:21 and you take me to John 1:11; how is that context? Are you willing to say that every Jew that has ever lived, is living now, and will live in the future is going to be saved? You have to be saying that if the Matthew 1:21 verse is speaking of the Jews. The context of Matthew 1 says nothing of the Jews, it says that Jesus will save HIS people. The Jews were chosen by God the Father as a nation through whom we would receive the scriptures (the written Word) and the Savior (the Living Word). However, the people that belong to Jesus are those of the "spiritual Israel" spoken of in Romans 2. Also, the passages I referred to in John's gospel point out that there are those who are "given" to Jesus, those who belong to Him that His blood has purchased; i.e. the elect. I guess since I answered your question, I am on my way to wisdom. To bad you haven't found that road yet. May God, by His grace, allow you to see it. |
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