good biblical reply - useful

let us make man - can be read in the singular without doing damage to scripture since it refers to the progeny of man

infidels get it pretty quick they sort of suspect that if there is a God and they are hoping that there isnt then things might not go well with them, they dont believe that they are made in Gods image

christians could get rid of the false gospel they have heard by sending more time talking to atheists !?

DJC49 wrote:
*KING EISEGESIS* look like the Grand Expositor of Scripture by comparison. What he did goes even BEYOND the definition of eisegesis.

KING EXEGESIS to you my friend you cant exegesis anything for yourself and youve nothing to say about my nice little exegesis about Noahs reassurance.

far from producing your own exegesis you cant even criticise others constructively (knowing the difference between exegesis and eisegesis would help)

FYI Japaths descendents are the european peoples and these are the peoples which have been blessed above all others with the benefits of learning and technology and wealth and have been the prime movers in the propogation of the Gospel to all the world, we have dwelt in the tent of shem because Abraham (israel) was descended from shem and it is the God of Abraham which has been responsible for allowing us the aforementioned benefits.

therefore Noah was a prophet

DJC49 wrote:
You make God out to be some three-headed monster, i.e., as if the 3 PERSONS of the Trinity do everything, all the time, all together. YOU don't seem to understand that they are DISTINCT, yet ONE. They each have specific offices, positions, and functions within the Godhead. Tell me something: when the SCRIPTURE [Ex 31:18 & Deu 9:10] states that the LAW was given on 2 tables of stone "WRITTEN WITH THE FINGER OF GOD",

DJC49 wrote:
*John UK* --
Here's my "problem" in a nutshell:
Someone comes on this forum and over the course of 2 days makes a ton of WHACKO assertions ascribing them to Scripture!

What I am practicing is exegesis because I am employing the historical context.

To whit: you see no reason why Noah should require reassurance from God, have you never asked why in Gen 9 God repeatedly reaffirms the promise to Noah and his descendents and all the creatures that he is not going to do it again ? why not just say it once ? God adds by saying look at the rainbow thats a sign my promise to you.

DJC49 wrote:
naked, personal, eisegetical interpretation of VERY many passages in the Bible

No D ont J ump to C onclusions you are just being plain dishonest - you HAVE been provided with scripture, you disagree ok but you HAVE been provided with it so dont say you havent, thats what honest people call a lie

You have place to accuse anyone when you yourself denied that Jesus and the HS were present on my sinai ie the triune God, you have not retracted this gross error cos you cant bear to admit you were wrong how blind can you be !

you deliberately evade problems put to you such as the clear teaching of providence in Esther ' nothing divine ! you are spiritualy blind !

you havent got a clue what Noah means have you ? but according to you if someone says that Noah is a prophet he is a moslem !! ha ha !

'God shall enlarge Japeth and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem and Canaan shall be his servant'

DJC49 wrote:
I challange you to take any ONE of your 10 assertions and use an entire post to EXPAND on why the propostion you stated is true while backing it up with corroborating Scripture and a rational argument.
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you already denied the trinity in your previous post ( yes its as serious as that )

all the while labelling me as king eisegesuis - hah !

I already gave you the scripture but you just deny that i even did so !

you dont understand Noah as prophet because you dont believe that all of genesis is true, if you did then by now you would take the table of nations seriously who the descendents of Japeth are and match it up with the last 500 yrs its simple joining the dots

Gods not allowing you to do it because you dont honor the word by believing it thats why you cant understand the book of esther (for instance) you stumble because it does not explicitly mention the divine yet to the discerning, Gods providence is obvious in fact the whole book is an strong testimony to Gods providential workings but if you havent got discernement then you will say tyere isnt 'anything divine in all of the Book of Esther '

DJC49 wrote:
King of Revelation?
7] "There is NO spiritual revelation without the HS" (try the ENTIRE giving of the Law to Moses & Israel by God Himself!)
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Let me explain:
God is composed of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and if God is present at Mt Sinai Then all three are. Jesus AND the HS AND the father was present.

You need some serious discipling old son !

***I'd like to see *KING EISEGESIS* prove ANY of these unsubstantiated assertions using Scripture!
***

in your haste to condemn DJC you have said an untruth and as I suspected you are begining to reveal yourself

I HAVE provided scriptural proof for assertions
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it is deception to deny it

you have not even attempted to refute you just demonstrate total incomprehension

I knew youd stumble over Noah as prophet , gen 9V27 desnt mean ANYTHING prophetic to you does it ?

God shall enlarge Japeth and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem and Canaan shall be his servant

understanding that 'shall' refers to future BTW doent make you a moslem

Candle Lit wrote:
What a treat from the Lord. He paints a beautiful sky, doesn't He?

John UK wrote:
Phew! Looks like prince charles has the same spiritual revelation as Mr Calvin and me myself and Alan H, and George Whitefield, and Charles Spurgeon, and millions of other Christians who believe in God's gracious REVELATION and teaching by the Holy Ghost.

DJC49 wrote:
*KING EISEGESIS* --
And I suppose

you dont reply to my comments concerning the prophet Noah i see, hmm worried that my joining the dots actualy bears fruit ?

*alan h * great post how could i be worried its obvious im right ! good to see im on the same territory as the master himself, how do you do that ? i mean get a commentary for a bible verse ? is there an on line resource - did calvin do a bible commentary ?

DJC49 wrote:
You are no longer "prince" in my book.
I am coronating you KING.
"KING EISEGESIS."

you have resorted to labels because I can join the dots which is what we are supposed to do, this is NOT eisegesis

i gave you obvious examples of the work of the HS in the OT and you cant see it ! You think the OT saints couldnt recognise they were of the elect such as ruth and naomi ? we have the evidence ! 'let your God be my God ' clear unequivocal indicia of election - just join the dots !

By labelling me thus you have given up the argument but you did that when you wouldnt offer an alternative explanation for the mechanism whereby peter received the truth

BTW by joining the dots I can see that Noah was a mighty prophet and prophesied even to this present age - whaddya think about THAT ? hmm ? try pulling the eisegesis label on that.

DJC49 wrote:
I'm issuing you a challenge, charles: comb through my recent posts and find where I ADAMANTLY insist that it was NOT by the Holy Spirit that the *FATHER* revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God.
I DARE YOU!

WRONG! Mt 16:17 says NOTHING about the HS

and here

Where do you see it say that the Father revealed who Jesus was to Peter by the Holy Spirit -- particularly an INDWELLING Holy Spirit?

DJC : 'BTW, your OT references in your post of 3:36 AM to show Holy Spirit activity made absolutely no sense at all. Perhaps you didn't have your coffee yet.'

Ha ! no sense at all what about the plain text ?

'Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, '

How then in your view did God stir the heart of Cyrus ?

esther 4
but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?

mordecai informs esther that she has been placed there by Gods providence for this purpose, mordecais insight courtesy of the HS