Candle Lit wrote:
Ohhh, I think you are very clever, holding your cards close to your vest, then revealing them slowly.

ive just been into the school where i am a govorner and i was talking about the gospel and i was asked what about aliens and i said theres nothing out there she said how do you know , i said cos the Bible says that we are the best thing that God ever made and also God says He 'made the stars also' so thats a BTW type of thing, all the glory is here on earth He just made the stars because He felt like it - good answer huh ? theni gave her the one minute gospel.

In my meeting with the headmaster he said i should write a short book for kids and folk about why they should believe cos i know so much stuff about the Bible and creation etc - i thought thats a pretty good idea, it doesnt have to be a long one, everyones got one book inside them i think ?

John UK wrote:
Good morning prince
Noooo I did not say what DJ said concerning this. I have maintained all along that Christianity is a REVELATION, and that revelation is by the Holy Ghost.

*DJC* we are all agreed the Father revealed this to peter but you dont answer the question, you are adamant that it was NOT by the HS - you know that much so if NOT by the HS then how ? hmm ? You say that i 'still dont get it' so what is YOUR answer ?

DJC wrote:'everyone MUST understand that we puny sinners are on a "need-to-know basis ONLY" when it comes to the workings of GOD. Not EVERYTHING is spelled out for us in Scripture. We think that God owes us an explanation for EVERYTHING. Well, He doesn't! What's CLEAR is that Peter got his understanding from the FATHER. Period! '

not so sure now ?

Candle Lit wrote:
Maybe it is a derivative of 'prolapse'

John + DJC - is the words receive the holy spirit said only once insufficient for you guys to accept !

mmm I dont think we 'really ' need to flesh out what Jesus means DJc unless one has already decided that Jesus really means prolepsis

similarly.....

glad you conceed that the disciples operated in the HS BEFORE penetecost, there is no other explanation,

similiarly you (and John) propose that peter received his insight into the true nature of Jesus by revelation OTHER than the HS - you guys are hard work ! such as an angel ? where does it say that ?

There is NO spiritual revelation without the HS God conceals the deep things from men, revealing only when He chooses and to whom, peter said this after the boat trip when Jesus demonstrated His sovreignty over the elements, well did Jesus say

'Oh hard of heart and slow to understand'

DJC : 'You'll strain hard to find mention in all of the OT concerning the HS..'

Oh dearie me,

Ezra Ch1 King Cyrus

Ruth Ch1 'let your God be my God' ruth and naomi recognising each other as fellow elect of God

Esther 3 mordecai to esther V14

DJC49 wrote:
charles m --
Are you SURE that you have even LOOKED at JOHN 20:22? Do you even KNOW what a prolepsis is? Have you cared to find out?

JOHN 20:22
And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

clear enough isnt it DJC ?

Now, what about my question ?

blessed are you simon barjona for flesh and blood has not revealed it to you but my father which is in heavan '

see, how else is this communicated other than the HS ?

You say that this was NOT communicated by the HS then how ? It WAS communicated right ?

By what power do YOU think that the disciples preached, healed and cast out demons if not by the HS ?

DJC49 wrote:
*prince charles* --
Your buddy (Edward Watson)

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Hmmm, this is an interesting dilemma for a Christian, while [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L121.pdf]]]Rendering To Caesar: A Biblical Perspective On Government[/URL] one of the few things that we can't allow Caesar to do is tell us how to worship or practice our faith. Like, Barry, I'm proud to be a part of "New Rome," I don't remember while serving in Vietnam they put such restrictions on the chaplains there.

DJC49 wrote:
· John 20:22 is a PROLEPSIS
· WRONG! There's NO proof Judas did miracles
· WRONG! Mt 16:17 says NOTHING about the HS
· You need serious discipling.

''Mt 16:17 says NOTHING about the HS ''

really ? OK here it is ....

blessed are you simon barjona for flesh and blood has not revealed it to you but my father which is in heavan '

how else is this communicated other than the HS ?

hmmm ? NOTHING ?

you need to listen to some or more sermons by johnathan edwards

as for EW saying that believers can go to hell, you think no one went to hell that believed Jesus was the messiah ?

Ill bet they are there,'whoever hears my words and does not do them...

'indwelling MEANS possession. Do you think evil spirits "indwell" only for 4 O'clock tea then leave?'

No evil spirits indwell UNTIL 4 then leave for tea and come back later they come and go in any case.

San hu wrote:
So why do certain KJVO's attack calvinists-as Mr Waites who is one top man in defending the KJV and not ignorant of the KJV translators position? Interesting, eh Charles?

Barry from KY wrote:
But, wholly it is something to be proud of, and now as when i served in the 1980's, i give them my support.

San hu wrote:
My own Christian walk has brought me into contact with many brethren strong in faith but who use a different version. Also into contact with a large number of oddities who use the KJV.

DJC49 wrote:
nowhere does Scripture state that he was, at any time, "possessed" by Satan or a devil.
You need to discern between possession, oppression and attacks of the devil.

its been inferred from my text by the readers (not just you )

DJC this is eisegesis on your part !The text john 20:22 explicitly states the holy spirit

In mathew 10 the disciples including judas are sent forth to heal and preach in the 'spirit of the father' v20 this then is the HS. there is scriptural proof that he did preach and do miracles

as for matt 16v16 the next verse states that it was the father in heavan which revealed this thru (the HS)

peters outburst was not saying that this wouldnot happen but that it shouldnt ie that he (peter ) would prevent such a thing satan did not reveal anything to him

satan entered into judas it does not say that judas was poseseed but its a safe inference that he was it would be hard to argue that he was not

Candle Lit wrote:
I'm leaving to meet a dear sister
in the Lord for our weekly lunch. Fellowship and food, good combination.

Baroque wrote:
I thank God for the life of this soldier and others who've risked thier lives for Christ. May God bless them for their love for God.

Candle Lit wrote:
TRUE - God's Word - then, we won't be taken in by the counterfeit.

DJC49 wrote:
So, according to Edward Watson, a believer HAS the Holy Spirit and, SIMULTANEOUSLY, CAN HAVE an evil spirit (devil) indwelling? Huh???

im going to listen to the sermon you just listened to to see what you mean

yeah i dont like some of the stuff he says or i found it difficult but in my case i still take another look

i listen to a lot of SA sermons from other preachers to

maybe i misunderstood the thrust of watsons argument but didnt jesus say to peter get behind me satan ? yet peter had the HS so if there is no evil spirit residing then whats going on ?

Didnt Judas work miracles like the other disciples when they were instructed to go forth ? yet all the time he was stealing from the common treasury

what about christians that have been exposed to demonic activity or influences (many ) prior to conversion does all that suddenly not have any influence any more ?

answers on a postcard please

Candle Lit wrote:
Hi, Charles,
Yeah, I knew that your question

i repair radars on the ships and have a small manufacturing set up, the ship yesterday is being kept as a spare by the isle of man steam packet co for the summer season ferry from liverpool to isle of man

you know yesterday in the car i listened to a few sermons by edward watson

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?currPage=3&keyword=Edward%5EWatson&SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&AudioOnly=false&SortBy=added

he has got quite a lot to say about something you raised recently can christians have an evil spirit within them ? Listening to him and from my own observations i would say yes.

Candle Lit wrote:
Good morning, Charles,
- glad to see that you are back to your "chipper" self this morning.

i should just point out that i didnt say that christians in the west were joyful because of their comfort it was more a question really as to what degree the idea of christian joy has been affected by relative temporal comfort

i do agree with your thoughts about what joy should be its seems to be one of those misuesd words

i was working on this ship today

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/2955651384_6a91ec4c29.jpg?v=0

but i should be ok tomorrow - i got to eat, i didnt have to work for hours and on the way home i stopped off and met some friends for a go karting race and i won a bottle of beer which was first prize !

perhaps i was still a bit low last time and still getting over my fever

reinforcements wrote:
If you need some reinforcements John
Prince Charles might send help when he is finished preparing his uniform
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i like the soldier analogy CLT i use it myself, i should report in every day for orders, must be alert, know my enemy, be familiar with the field manual (bible) weapons must be clean and ready with plenty of ammunition, spend time in training and excercise, keep a good lookout for enemies and traitors, keep in contact with the other soldiers, be bold and believe in ultimate victory, hold your ground - reinforcements are on the way ! be in uniform at all times identifiable to friend and foe.

Candle Lit wrote:
We don't have a separate spirit from within making war with the Holy Spirit, do we?