Nimrod is acting to correct this by promising to day to 'freeze spending' this astonishing volte face caused me to jerk up from my four poster spilling morning coffee over the goose down quilt and scattering yelping corgis. What in the world i thought could cause a welfare queen to grasp the nettle of americas great debt overnight ? i soon learned of course that the spending freeze excludes welfare, defence, free health and well the source of the problem really
So i devised my own 'spending freeze ' as my income this year is down by 60 % its got to be done it wont make me popular but tough measures are needed
a freeze on skiing holidays, these will be capped at three one week excursions to chamonix - absolutely no increases - read my lips !
sailing holidays will also not be exempt NO INCREASE on last years three weeks in the greek islands - do you hear me !
from now on we are going to follow obamas prudent stance and NOT borrow any more than last year and NOT increase our debt anymore than we did last year, no increase on the increase of debt.
The average person and christian and person is far to ambivilent toward gays.
mostly they think that gays are fairly ordinary, even effeminate and inoffensive.
Im afraid this is based upon ignorance of Gays in the present and past.
Fred is knowlegable about the Bible and history after all he is 80 and studied hard all his life
If he says they are beasts and vicious a wise man will look again i think
The worst tyrants in history have mostly been gay and child sex abusers
Gays often are also copraphiliacs and pursue other debased practices
The roman emporers at the time of the early church were gay, Hitler was gay and so were the inner circle of the nazi party and the SA
Gaydom has run like a poison stream thru history
Sodomy was ordinary in the roman army they were not permitted to marry, the bible calls them dogs. Roman soldiers were brutal efficient killers. Jesus says at the crucifiction he is surrounded by dogs, he is not talking about labradors
Why does the bible call them dogs ? Think of dogs in the old days in Jerusalem, pack animals, libidinous, vicious and dangerous - want them running the show ? - you have been warned
Read the pink swastika, the homoerotic roots of the nazi party
''Disciples of whom? A disciple of Christ is an imitator, a follower of the Lord. Unless Mr. Phelps' followers respond to sinners in like fashion as Jesus did, they cannot be properly called disciples of Christ''
like this maybe ?
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' 49Everyone will be salted with fire.
(preserved in fire)
BTW fred had a letter from a reformed gay man last year and read it out in a sermon using the passage princephil used and fred reckoned there was hope
interseting anything with the GHF we**ite on it doesnt post mmmm
Yes over the years listening to SA sermons my ears have grown simply ENORMOUS !! I hardly have to have any volume now another thing is when they hear error they start waggling in protest and then curl up and i cant hear anything !
yes john the preacher was another 'well without water' 2 peter v 17 ' a dumb dog that cant bark' isiah 56v10
princephil wrote: Interestingly in over 40 years of preaching Fred Phelps has never seen a homosexual saved and doesn't believe it possible. I Corinthians 6:11 And such **were** some of you: but ye **are** washed, but ye **are** sanctified, but ye **are** justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Give me some of Fred's gospel message links as I would like to hear the good news from him
Judy wrote: It is time for ministers to examine their own preaching and listen to THEMSELVES!
Pah totally ive just lestened to the worst preacher on anglesey tonite, just the usual stuff, lazy, unfocused, doctrine free, wandering rambling, talking about the world etc etc
I suggest that you might consider doing what i am now doing - make a mental note of their errors and give them the appropriate scripture, its a good discipline and good practice in being nice (i need it)
lots of these preachers are NO GOOD and shouldnt be doing it they are just mates of the other preachers and no body has got the bottle to call them out and stop this ridiculous farce.
I dint encourage my kids to be disrespectful but they said they could do better i never said anything maybe if you are a big enough pain they will let you preach ?
Hi john not quite sure i follow you but ill have ago, BTW my absoutely in my previous post was meant to agree with your previous post rather than the subject of the thread but i wasnt very clear
I would hope to comfort the elect with their position as you describe
ie Num 23 v 21
He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the LORD his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them
I suppose I am a bit cautious because i dont know the persons final destination obviously im hoping that they will be one to accept the word and i emphasise the calling of God esp if i know a little of their circumstances but in case they are not (at this time) then i also remind them of the creators blesings in their life and their obligations toward Him, which stand wether they come to believe or not
yes i do worry about saying things which are untrue, i rerun the conversation afterwards to try and see what mistakes i may have made im getting better but ive had my regrets
the preacher tonite (visiting ) said that old cliche 'God does not go where he is not wanted' Pah ! I ran him thru the opening verses of Isiah 65 and told him that if that were the case then no one would be saved !
i just wanted to quickly post that my post was a mistake ie i meant that i wished to concur with johns previous comment NOT as it reads that I absolutely agreed with the proposition of the thread ! I will post on my return from church - must dash !
the elect prior to being made aware of their calling are loved by God even tho they were Gods enemies. So here is an amazing thing, that while we were Gods enemies, rather than placing us under siege and destroyiing us as the world would he had yet made provision for us
Rom 5v10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
But is it right that we are to tell all men that God loves them ?
I believe no, at least not indiscriminately, but in our exposition to explain that for those that God grants repentance, for them that he calls out of the world then yes, I stress Rom 5v10 and God WILL call and redeem them that he loves, also stressing that God is good to his enemies mathew 5v43 and remind the sinner of the blessings that he has received from God, if i know the person a little i run thru a list showing how God excercises restraint upon men and blesses them with jobs, food house etc etc
lifeontrack wrote: I have to agree with prince charles. WBC are providing a greater witness to this fallen immoral country than any church out there. Frankly, their message is Biblically sound and they are running the good race. Bravo to WBC
I dunno why christians join in the world and attack WBC, including grace to you, politics i suppose, usually people turn on their own to make themselves popular with their oppressors
yeah if people wanna say things like utterly irrelevant and scorned by all but that statement obviously untrue even a simpleton can see that many people aeound the world are interested in WBC in a way that they are not interested in what the 'mainstream' church has to say.
Youd have to be blind not to see that their influence far exceeds their size - that should tell you something
Also something that many today dont understand is WBC represent what USED to be MAINSTREAM , if the saints from the 50's when fred was young can see what is happening to USA they would be doing the same but they are all dead only fred is left.
I believe freds work will pass through the fire and it will be silver and gold not chaff and stubble
Todays church is in a trap of its own making it will be obvious but to late
The sermons at my church are around 40 minutes which seems to go quite quickly, it never seems like 40 mins, most churches here are around 20 mins and mostly thats all the 'preacher' has got and usually theres not much meat there and im bored, when this happens i read my bible. But this happens only when i am obliged by circumstance to visit another church.
I think 40 mins is a minimum if the minister has got something to say and the ones that have 40 mins in them almost always do.
The unconverted person can be benefitted by a short sermon on a simple theme but the converted need a square meal and strong meat and I think the unconverted are better of with a good 40 minutes.
To often these days churches have short unsatisfying sermons with to many songs its all a bit pointless frankly, theres no conviction they are playing at church
Jim Lincoln wrote: Prince Charles you are correct my church has trips to Israel every several years and one just a year or two back. Of course we don't have much good to say about Catholicism! [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L117.pdf]]]Christian and Catholics -- never together![/URL] The Crusades had a strong defensive side to them, Of course Catholics then and now want to make pilgrimages and they make up a large part of the population of the world, but the Crusades were multi-faceted as this author points out, [URL=http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Stenhouse/crusades.02.htm]]]The Crusades and the Spin Doctors[/URL].
''Medieval Catholics needed access to Jerusalem so they could make pilgrimages there & thus fulfill the penances imposed upon them by the priesthood (or themselves). The Crusades were thus a direct product of false Catholic theology''
christians today want to visit Jerusalem and they arent neccesarily catholic, i expect it was the same back then