It is a great shame when church closures happened in late March that church leaders had not been more vocal then.
This action by some African charismatic pastors and one or two Anglican evangelical ministers (including a retired bishop), has come rather too late. The silence over church closures has been deafening. I am not even sure if my own church is going to open up yet. The restrictions are fairly severe, although I understand as at the beginning, some church leaders are going further than even the government.
For example, technically there is no number restrictions, except that people must space out for â€śsocialâ€ť distancing, yet churches have imposed number restrictions.
Again, though recommended, unlike on public transport, where masks are mandatory, they are not mandatory in churches, but church leaders have pushed compulsory mask wearing in church.
What is forbidden apparently is singing. It appears that communion is severely restricted, and in some cases banned, and baptisms are out of the question. Singing, communion and baptism are core activities of a church, and yet these have been all been more or less outlawed.
Not since the 17th and early 18th centuries has a government in Britain told Christians how they may or may not worship, even during plague
To be fair two of the justices are actually solid constitutionalists, and committed to that. The third justice is a rather weak flawed individual, who went the right way this time, but gave a poor argument. As for the other two â€śconservativesâ€ť, they are turncoats, and that leaves the four dedicated activist liberals, who are committed to their viewpoint, no matter what.
Praise God for the black police officer who gave the brainwashed white BLM protester the real solution and answer to the whole problem of â€śracismâ€ť and conflict.
No doubt this young lady had been brainwashed in a leftist university or college, or by the established media, but this dear black servant of God set her straight. What a rebuke!! Effectively she called the accompanying white officer a liar, because he said he had a black wife and children, but this dear black officer indeed gave the real solution. It is sin, far worse than any Covid 19 virus that we need to repent of and be cleansed from, and come to the Lord Jesus Christ, and appropriate His Blood and His Sacrifice for us. He is indeed the only way, the truth and the life. I must pray for both the white lady protester, for her salvation and for this precious black police officer for his protection and his witness.
And most sinister of all, if I understand the law correctly, apparently names and phone numbers of all attendants should be recorded and the record kept for 4 weeks. Thankfully, though I believe recommended strongly, there is no requirement for mandatory mask wearing. All these restrictions are very disturbing, and apart from one or two approaches made by some MPs and â€ślay membersâ€ť, and a letter in May from a society (Protestant Truth Society), really the church leaders have been deafeningly silent on the whole issue, including the evangelicals!! This is very sad indeed and sets a dangerous precedent.
When shops and even pubs are full, (no doubt with illicit singing, when people have had too much), it is iniquitous, that we are told how we are to worship. Will this still be the case next year? I hope not.
I am very grateful indeed that apparently there are to be no number restrictions on church attendees, provided they can space out.
However, the state has now set a precedent whereby it can interfere with how we worship!! Apparently even choirs in an Anglican evensong cannot sing, though set back from the congregation. They may still fly Covid 19 drops everywhere. My church does not have choirs, or soloists, we have congregational singing only of beautiful old hymns with an organ or a computerised piano. What good is it if someone plays the organ, which is permitted, if we cannot sing?
What about our good friends up in the hills and islands of Scotland, (that is a separate jurisdiction, but similar rules will apply, when their services are permitted), or my old baptismal church, where only unaccompanied psalms are sung. They can no longer sing them. How long will this restriction endure?
What will happen to the online services at Met Tab, where they use recorded hymns. Will the now gathered congregants have to listen (communal hymn books and pew Bibles are also banned), without singing, whether the organ is live or recorded? What about the things not mentioned in this question in Parliament? Communion, baptisms, church fellowship, church meals, Sunday school, outreache
Donâ€™t forget, folks, the current BLM movements was actually founded by 3 lesbian ladies, and the LGBTQI+ aims and objectives are as equally at the heart of it as the â€śRacial Justiceâ€ť and policing abolition issues.
It is indeed the older people that I feel very sad for. There are some older people even in nursing homes and sheltered housing, that are not completely frail and can get about, yet these emergency orders have imprisoned them under house arrest, and worse their lives have been endangered by wicked and culpable politicians forcing their homes to accept Covid19 cases from hospitals wanting to empty their beds, often without testing!! Thankfully, my mothers nursing home, moved all the relatively healthy residents, and even the frail ones to an older empty home, with their current staff, before they allowed the NHS to send their Covid 19 cases to the newer home which was now empty. That at least was responsible.
As far as these dear souls returning to church, I fear the deafening silence of pastors, who will obey the church orders to the letter, and even exceed them, and who may discourage older people from attending church in person, and yet still not see them in the nursing home or their own home. As for the rest of us, this state interference in how we are to gather and worship is not good, and even requiring a register in some areas, makes me think very much of Communist China!!
Tragically, it seems that in the USA, where demonstrators can loot, riot, and even seize areas of cities at will, and create no go zones, where police, if they are not dissolved and defunded that is, are not allowed to go, and where by the way, these folks are not observing â€śsocialâ€ť distancing, or any Covid 19 emergency order, and egged on by the local leftist Marxist politicians, yet churches, and synagogues, (though mosques are strangely exempt), and small local businesses, if they have survived being shut down in the lockdown, or being burnt down or looted by the rioters, are now to be spied on.
It seems that Marxism is showing its true colours, and certain states in the USA have become echoes of the old USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, Albania of old, and of course the current successful model of Communist China, or even North Korea.
No problem, John UK. I read the Baptist Press article very carefully, and despite what the Mississippi Baptist President was saying, they are not following the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostle John, but of secular Marxist theories, the Social Gospel aka â€śSocial Justiceâ€ť and political correctness. Apparently, all the living past Presidents of the Mississippi Baptist Convention wrote in saying the flag should be changed. The first of these Presidents took office in as far back as 1984!!! How come, that he did not think it important in 1984, to take a stand in such a vital important Gospel issue.
In their statement, these gentlemen have not only bowed to the â€śSocial Gospel / Social Justiceâ€ť movement, to political correctness, and to the demands of the thugs that are charging around USA, vandalising, looting and knocking down statues, and imposing their will on everybody by force, but seem to have forgotten the Great Commission of preaching the real Gospel of repentance, and conversion, the new birth in the Lord Jesus Christ.
No, John UK. These Southern Baptists in Mississippi are not being driven by the thought of obeying the Bible, but of fear and wanting to be politically correct. They are indeed quoting the Bible, but it is not being applied correctly. Their national leadership has I understand already surrendered to â€śtokenismâ€ť, intersectionality, and Marxist Critical Race Theory.
I abhor racism of any sort and I repeat, any sort, as we are all, without exception, of the race of Adam and Eve, and Noah and his wife. From my limited understanding of United States history, the Civil War, was not just about slavery, and there were other reasons why, rightly or wrongly, the southern states sought to break away from the Union, just as the USA previously broke away from Britain.
Trying to expunge oneâ€™s history ruthlessly and follow a Marxist BLM narrative, is not Bible, it more resembles 1984 by George Orwell!!. The Marxists want to take over in the USA, and why for decades, was the flag not changed previously!! Maybe these zealous political Baptists may feel more comfortable under the hammer and sickle.
Despite all the coronavirus, the edicts of Andrew Cuomo and Bill DeBlasio, the persecution of churches and synagogues, the terrible lockdown and suffering of New York, and the riots and withdrawal and defunding of police, yet it seems that the people of that city may well not repent and turn from their sin, and in the primaries and then in November possibly elect these terrible Congress members, of the LGBTQI crowd, no doubt to add to AOC who is already there,(and re-elect her no doubt). How terribly sad.
I do pray for the true believers in New York City and State they they will stand up and preach the gospel. I suspect they can only meet online, or in their churches but with very severe restrictions, mask wearing, no singing, communions, baptisms, spacing out. I think they could well be entitled to challenge this, but whatever they do, I pray they will preach the Gospel powerfully the these last days. May God bless them.
Let us not forget that as well as China giving millions to many educational institutions, and sending large numbers of Chinese students all over the world to study, (and remember these students are fully sponsored by either state agencies, or private corporations and companies within China, that are of course controlled by the Chinese Communist State, and universities love these â€śoverseasâ€ť students because they pay full fees up front and do not need or are not eligible for loans or grants from the country they are studying in), we must not forget other types of funding.
There are other forces that are opposed to godly and Judeo-Christian principles, such as abortion, euthanasia, widespread immorality, evolution, atheistic pressures, Eastern religions and New Age, that may well have their benefactors and philanthropists that will give money to higher education institutions with strings attached, and of course also globalists.
A final very important source of funding for many universities which often gets missed and is very dangerous, are Islamic countries and foundations. A leading Anglican university, that used to have a theological department, (that has since merged with another college), and where I was offered a conditional offer of a place, (I didnâ€™t quite get the right
I am not sure that the state can or should indefinitely interfere with our worship and praise of God, but our pastors are deafeningly silent, it has been left to some MPs and a few â€ślayâ€ť members of churches to make representations about this!! As I said in another thread of another news item, the Chinese Communist Party must be amazed that their virus, has actually stopped live worship all over the world, and closed the churches, not just the churches they have suppressed forcefully at home!!!!
Wales, which has been much stricter in its lockdown than England, (Wales has its own devolved Labour Party government), actually got there first with weddings!! England doesnâ€™t get there until July 4th, when most (but not all) of our lockdown is removed, and the famous 2 metre physical distancing is reduced to 1metre.
Weddings here will be limited to 30 people maximimum, (no singing permitted if it is a church service), and not really a reception afterwards, though restaurants, hotels and so on (but not conference centres) will be open under very strict conditions.
As to church services in England, physical distancing must still be observed, (there is a strict number limit in any church), disinfection procedures, a ban on any physical greetings still enforced, masks are recommended but not enforced, and singing, (an organ or piano may be played however, but no wind instruments), and probably also communion and baptism are still forbidden. I donâ€™t know how long that will last!! At least that is marginally better than Scotland (Nationalist leftist government) which hasnâ€™t yet given a date yet for church services, which is still mostly in lockdown, and where I believe masks are compulsory everywhere in public from Monday!
I am not sure that the state can interfere indefin
As a Protestant Evangelical naturally I believe in salvation sola gratia (by grace alone), sola fide, (by faith alone), sola Christe, (in Christ alone), sola Deo Gloria (for the glory of God alone), and sola Scriptura ( according to the Scriptures alone). (Sorry about my rusty Latin, I havenâ€™t quite got it right!!).
However, MS and others, this news is important and significant. The no doubt last visit of the former Pope Benedict XVI to visit his brother, and his former city of Regensburg, really shows the end of the traditional Roman Catholic Church as we have known it, as the new and current Pope Francis, who I believe could be maybe the last but one Pope, completes the transition of that church, finally into the full blown modernist, liberal â€śone worldâ€ť type global church, that will merge with all the others and the other faiths in the one world religion under the final Antichrist. Pope Benedict XVI is the last traditional Pope, and the end of traditional Catholicism.
Pope Francis now paved the way, for a successor, whether the next or one after, who I am sure will be the final false prophet, serving under the Antichrist in the last 7 years of human history. Let us pray for both traditional and modern Catholics to be truly saved, born again and delivered.
A lady called Jan Markell, who has a weekly radio and internet programme called â€śUnderstanding the Timesâ€ť, which comes out on Saturdays, (there is a visual recorded version of it available on You Tube), has featured this very subject in her last two programmes (1hr each), with Pastor Billy Crone of Sunrise Bible Church, Las Vegas, who has done extensive research on this whole area of trans humanism, genetic research and vaccines, and indeed it definitely looks very like the â€śdays of Noahâ€ť, which our Lord spoke about.
Interestingly, Jan Markell lives in Minneapolis, where George Floyd was killed by the police officer, and was able to witness the effects of the resulting rioting and lawlessness, which she also refers to on the programme.
Episcopalian and Anglican bishops and vicars usually are married, the exception being some Anglican clergy from the Anglo-Catholic sections of the church that are members of Anglican monastic orders (there are not very many of these), and of course bishops and clergy whose wives have died, and who have not remarried.
I think that watchmanremo is thinking of the Western Roman Catholic Church, where clerical celibacy is still the rule, though Eastern rite Catholic clergy can be married at the lower levels, (same as Eastern Orthodox), if done before ordination, but not widowed clergy, and not bishops who are usually chosen from monastic celibate clergy.
Going back to this brave Episcopalian bishop, who sounds like an Evangelical, my advice to him, and any of his diocesan clergy, that support his stand, is to leave the Episcopal Church, en masse with their congregations, and break away. They will have to leave their buildings behind, but I think the Episcopal Church disciplinary committee will definitely go against him.
I have heard of this man Charles Finney. Unlike Jonathan Edwards and George Whitfield who preached the true real Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ in the 1st Awakening of the 1700â€™s, with the true conversion of thousands, Charles Finney in the 19th century, brought decisionism as he adopted â€śNew Measuresâ€ť for gospel preaching, emphasising freewill, emotional appeals, the â€śanxious benchâ€ť, (the original form of the altar call), denied original sin, believed in Christian perfectionism, and taught the post millennial view that the Church must triumph in the world before Christ will come again.
I have understood that wherever he went and carried out his â€śrevivalsâ€ť, (he had connections during his life with Baptistâ€™s, Presbyterians and Congregationalists), there seems to have been a great hardness that descended in the area afterwards, and it has been very hard in those areas, even up until today, to establish good solid robust evangelical churches, but the liberal â€śsocial justiceâ€ť type churches have often been powerful in these areas, and cults like Christian Science, universalism and â€śNew Thoughtâ€ť have flourished in these areas.