JD wrote:
The NT believers are saved BY FAITH", the same as the OT believers. The NT believers received the gift of the Holy Spirit, who is life and who is eternal, to indwell them for all of eternity. This makes them partakers of the divine nature and "children of the living God". It is a new birth, it comes by believing the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is the death, burial, and resurrection, and it is made possible because his blood has been shed and washes the sin away. The blood of bulls and goats can atone for sin but it cannot take it away. Therefore the Spirit of God did not and could not indwell OT believers.
John writes these words:
Re 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST BEGOTTEN of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood!

"This is the WORK OF GOD, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." Jn. 6:29

JD wrote:
Now you are changing the subject from "regeneration" to "working in the lives of OT believers (and unbelievers, (Balaams Ass, for instance). I have not said the Spirit of God did not have a ministry in the OT and I did not say that God the son did not have an OT ministry but neither of them had the same ministry that they had in the NT.
When you quote Ps 51:5 where David says take not thy holy Spirit from me, the word "holy" is an ajective and the KJV translators duly noted it by not capitilizing it. In the NT, the word "Holy" is a noun and it is a part of the name of the 3rd person of the trinity. It is his ministry to set the believers apart in sanctification. It was not his ministry in the OT!
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No! The context determines what he means. HE WILL BE IN YOU!

"I have not said the Spirit of God did not have a ministry in the OT"

Then you contradict yourself and say:
"It was not his ministry in the OT!"

JD wrote:
And so ends this debate with my showing that there is no real doctrinal understanding of God the Holy Spirit among the reforrmed denominations whether they be baptist or otherwise. This is evidence by their continued refusal to present any kind of rebuttal to my Scriptural presentation of him as indwelling believers and washing their sins away by the blood of the Lamb of God, A NEW TESTAMENT REALITY.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth;

Changing the subject from regeneration to pentecost does not mean that your points were not repudiated. It only supports my previous point that you fail to see that one cannot see the kingdom of God except he is born again.

Allan wrote:
Papal infallibility supposedly only applies to matter of doctrine. At least in it's current form. How it was applied generations ago was different. Not that any self respecting Roman Catholic will admit or research that.

Mike wrote:
Interesting. On the one hand this so-called corpse-dead unable man can in no way discern any spiritual things, cannot see, hear, understand, and does not care about sin or salvation. On the other hand he must somehow be able to discern God, who is a Spirit, in order that he may care enough to hate Him. There is a big problem here. Yet some have no problem with it.

John Yurich wrote:
If I received Christ as my Savior then I am a Christian and I will go to Heaven when I pass away regardless if I do not leave the Catholic Church because church membership is totally superfluous to entrance into Heaven. Just because I am still attending the Catholic Church does not mean that I am not a Christian. As I have pointed out I have totally dispensed with the unscriptural Catholic doctrines, the unscriptural parts to the Mass, only adhere to the scriptural Catholic doctrines and only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass.

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Dessie wrote:
President Bush is only a man who I
believe is living and serving as
president in the last days.
Let's just wait and see what the others
will do. NOTHING!!!
Christians need to wake up and realize
that it is only going to get worse.

Before the cross - First Days
After the cross - Last Days

We have been in the last days since the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Dan wrote:
From Daniel 4:17 “…the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.”
It could be that it’s time for this nation to be judged as He puts leaders in place that are even more base and wicked than what we’ve got.

Lance Eccles wrote:
Were this to happen, the Church itself would be teaching false doctrines, and the Catholic Church has never taught false doctrines.

IV. This catholic (universal) Church hath been sometimes more, sometimes less, visible. And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.

V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error: and some have so degenerated as to become apparently no Churches of Christ. Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth, to worship God according to his will.

Josh wrote:
Amazing the kind of blasphemous nonsense that comes spewing out of the mouth of depraved man. There is a day of reckoning coming for they have made void thy law!

What is more amazing is the amount of rationalism that came out of the mouth of man they say was on drugs! Whatever they say he was taking might help them to make more sense. They certainly couldn't become more irrational.

AntiVaticanistAmerican wrote:
THE LESSER OF THESE TWO EVILS IS INDEED BARACK OBAMA !

Your assertion here implies divine revelation, or you must base this upon the lack of evidence of evil yet to be revealed in Barack only because he is a novice to the political system.

Either way, I do agree with you on one thing: all of the candidates for consideration do not provide anything to choose from.

I am seriously beginning to look to the Constitutional party for more options than what we are being given in this "free political system". The Dems and the Reps have both failed us since there is little difference in either. They have sold themselves like harlots to the highest special interest "charity". It is not theirs to give away. Prov. 7

Lance Eccles wrote:
I'm quite happy to admit that the Vatican has often erred. It makes no difference to the truth of the Catholic Faith.

Minnow wrote:
I guess it is time to close this particular discussion.
God be with you brother.

Gayle Pospeschil wrote:
David - What's Obama's Muslim name got to do with it? Would you prefer he was named Benedict or Arnold? One's name might cause shame but certainly not offense!
Ronn - Christian America is no more. And just because someone says they're a Christian it doesn't make them one. Bush and Obama are both members of UNited churches (Methodist; Church of Christ). All of the denominations that name themselves "UNited" are heretical organizations promoting abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, and other ungodly activity. Christian leaders are now the few "voices crying in the wilderness" while everyone's flocking to the "ear tickling" leaders who call themselves Christians.