Neil wrote:
That Wright is not preaching God's word is too obvious to need mentioning. Don't forget, United Methodism runs deep in Hillary Clinton. Anyone who's sat before preaching for much of their childhood has had, in effect, weekly lessons in the art of religious rhetoric, for better or worse.
Remember that ever since Andrew Jackson, whoever wins gets to fill the numerous offices in the Executive Branch which today have considerable discretionary powers. This in addition to the nomination of Supreme Court justices.

Minnow wrote:
We have just watched a clip of the so called "Rev." Wright on the BBC, and they had to Bleep out some of his words?
This guy is no more a Pastor, no more a Christian than a plastic duck.
Anyone who follows him is at the very least vacuous between the ears. But to have him as some sort of an advisor, to a possible future president is on the scale between absurd and ludicrous.
Obama's worst enemy appears to be himself.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
I rather enjoyed the last paragraph of the WND article,

Well, I always said that Obama would be considered a black George McGovern, except he is even far left of George.
Since Obama supported this black racist preacher, and black racists are just as obnoxious as white racists, [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_antisemitism]]]Racial antisemitism[/URL], Obama is not worthy of support of the American voter.

Just heard Barack's speech on CNN. Typical political "George Orwellian double speak" where you deny and affirm at the same time. In attempting to appease that sector of the country that is in agreement with Rev. Wright, he accepts that we "are irrevocably bound to the past".

Mike wrote:
WHERE in the Constitution does the Federal government have the authority to grant ANYONE health care, jobs, or an education?
Obama is spreading the message of BIGGER GOVERNMENT to solve the social issues that government is NOT to be involved with.
By the way, Obama is logically promoting the exact same SOCIAL gospel that his denomination teaches...by using government to ENFORCE his social gospel...which is NOT the gospel of the Bible.

KK wrote:
Rev. Jeremiah Wright has made it PERFECTLY CLEAR the treatchery he harbors !!!

John Yurich wrote:
The other day I looked up the website of Trinity United Church Of Christ in Chicago, Illinois where Obama attends and belongs to and it states on that churches website that they have Altar Calls and thus that means that the minister preaches the Gospel Of Christ.

Margaret Thatcher wrote:
If you want to cut your own throat, don't come to me for a bandage.

KK wrote:
John 3: __________ (KJ)
16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20) For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
____________

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Rom. 9:13

Margaret Thatcher wrote:
You can't buck the markets.

The markets are not almighty; powerful men "buck the markets" all the time.

"The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, And saying Alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great riches is come to nought." Rev. 18:15-17

Neil,

JD wrote:
The miracles confirms the message!

The beast of Rev. 13 has the power to do miracles and by them he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth. (v.14)

JD wrote:
Dr Phil;
I am sorry but your answer is nothing but human philosophy and you offered not one statement of God to back up your very weak attempt at saying that salvation is a progressive idea ( He grew cowardly, and discontent, and suspicious, in constant repetition, never progressing in saving grace.) Apparently you have not kept up with the contention of the opposition.

Now I know that you are willfully blind and fail to see the verse I gave you (2 Sam. 7:14-15) Here it is for you (since you refuse to look it up to see what it says). Do you see it?

2 Sam. 7:14 "I will be his father, and he shall be my son, If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the stripes of the children of men:"

2 Sam. 7:15 "But my mercy SHALL NOT DEPART from him {David's son}, as I TOOK IT FROM SAUL, whom I put away before thee."

Mick wrote:
The subprime thing is indidcative of much larger problems. Yes, one of our biggest problems is the credit debt we carry but when our government allows our corporations to move so many jobs out of the country that we have to compete with the Chinese over wages then, well, we can't afford the housepayments either, much less the gasoline over 2.50 per gallon, 5.00 per gallon milk, etc, it's all just been too much inflation too soon. We the people need to demand that these companies come under some kind of extra man size tarrifs for bringing goods back into the country, or perhaps some sort of extra tax for them. It's a lot like the 70's economy, but we don't have anything to retrain for since they outsource the "better" jobs as well.

JD wrote:
1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

JD wrote:
The OT saints had justification but they were saved by the cross of Christ.

Can't you see the ridiculous implication here from this premise? This implies that there can be justification apart from the cross, and that there can be salvation apart from justification. There can be no salvation apart from justification; nor can there be justification apart from the cross! Christ was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Therefore, his death on the cross was fixed in the mind of God from eternity past and consequently, it could justify the saints of the OT who saw the promise afar and believed. That faith was just as effective to justify as it was for the NT saint. Until you see justification as a legal declaration by God outside of yourself, you will not see it.

OT saints were saved by faith before the cross, just as the NT saints are saved by faith after the cross.

I know that the following verse that speaks of the church of the OT was given to you before, but you willingly blind yourself to it. Nevertheless,

Wayne M. wrote:
. . . He was correct to try to reform them and when that failed, he was correct to worship in the Lutheran churches without Rome.

Consider this from the WCF Chapter 25,
IV. This catholic (universal) Church hath been sometimes more, sometimes less, visible. And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.

V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error: and some have so degenerated as to become apparently no Churches of Christ. Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth, to worship God according to his will.

VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God.

JD wrote:
If you are being honest by taking a hard to understand passage like you have done and made your whole doctrine depend upon it like you have done (and all cults do BTW) and ignore the plain statements of Scripture where the subject of justification, redemption, sanctification, faith, imputation et al, is dealt with in detail like it is done in Ro and Ga then we might well listen to you.
Why do think the language of Scripture in every place that God tells us how to be saved rebukes your position on salvation?