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5/10/08 1:46 PM |
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I will not comment on such total and utter foolisnness that was presented by one Observation Post and one Someone Else because who in the world would know what kind of point they were trying to make. If I were a wagering man, I would bet no one could tell me. Your comments must have some relevance to the converstaion....And for poor DJC49 who said this; To (A) I respond: Of course he meant it! And where were they destroyed from among the people? [Take a wild guess, JD] In the SAME place that ALL those who hear the gospel and reject Jesus Christ: in hell -- where God is able to destroy both body AND soul. Fear Him! Your reading skills are now in complete doubt. Here is what our text says: "destroyed from among the people" Here is what DJC49 read into it: Take a wild guess, JD] In the SAME place that ALL those who hear the gospel and reject Jesus Christ: in hell -- where God is able to destroy both body AND soul. Fear Him! I am not into guessing, I am into reading and believing what the text says. You men have some things in common. You try to isolate the verse away from the context and you will not deal with the prophetic aspect of the text. If any of you do, you might have a lawsuit against your sorry teachers who have lied to you. |
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5/10/08 9:49 AM |
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I'd venture to say that being utterly "destroyed from among the people" should they "not hear that Prophet [Jesus Christ]" IS certainly tantamount to losing covenant blessing!_ Well, did he mean it or not? Where were they destroyed? _ But then again, YOU can take Acts 3:23 and RATIONALIZE that since those among Peter's immediate audience who did not believe in Jesus were not physically destroyed on the spot, then Peter -- by quoting Moses -- must have been speaking about some future time prior to the Millennium and not about the very moment in time in which he gave his call to repentance among the Jews. _ Uh, Yes! But I did not say it, the text does. Please pardon me here for a moment while I praise the Lord for the ability he has given me to read! 9 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Do you understand presence, and send, and until, and restitution, and all, and prophets? I think not! I am Casob! |
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5/10/08 8:38 AM |
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and reminding his audience that they were in the precarious position of losing covenant blessing by rejecting the Messiah ... the prophesied Prophet. ____There is nothing in the text about losing covenant blessings but there is something in the text about recieving specific covenant blessings. 25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 UNTO YOU FIRST God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. The covenant promise of the covenant was to all kindreds of the earth but we find here that it is to the Jew first because it was given specifically through them. This provision of the Abrahamic covenant is fulfilled through the promised seed and now we know it took his death and being RAISED for it to be realized. 18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, But the covenant has more things that are specific to Israel and before they are realized there must be a national conversion. This is a call for national repentance! |
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5/10/08 7:17 AM |
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How does one deal with such reasoning? I know, I will go down to 5th grade logic.Acts 3 is strictly a Jewish context. 25 Ye are the children of the prophets, Ye are the children of the Abrahamic covenant. 26 Unto you (Jews) first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, (How) in turning away EVERY ONE OF YOU from his iniquities. What if every one of them does not turn? 23 And it shall come to pass, that EVERY SOUL, which will not hear that prophet, SHALL BE destroyed from among the people. Lets review this verse. 1)It shall come to pass - What does that mean? Right! It is am undefined period of time not defined in the verse. 2) Every soul that will not hear that prophet. That would include the people Peter was speaking to. 3) Shall be destroyed from among the people. Question: Were any unbelievers destroyed? Answer: No. Logic: The time for destroying those who will not hear that prophet must not have come to pass. Are we told by the text when that time will be? Answer: Yes! V 19-the presence of the Lord - 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things Finish next post! |
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5/9/08 11:41 PM |
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Observation Post wrote: DJC49, It's too bad the context of Deut 18:15-22 doesn't point to the second coming as Casob seem to think Acts 3:18-21 demands v 22-23 be interpreted. Nope... it just isn't there. We have not been commenting on Deut, we have been commenting on Acts. |
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5/9/08 10:54 PM |
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Acts 3:23 is not about some time just prior to the so-called Millennium. It was about Jesus' time on earth in the flesh (circa 2BC-31AD). And it's the SOUL which shall be destroyed from among the people. _To demonstrate how gracious I am, I am going to pretend like I did not read the above statement because of how ridiculous it would make the author of it to appear. Please, try again and this time, be serious! There is a limit to my covering for you. DJC49 wrote Act 3:24 "Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have LIKEWISE FORETOLD OF *****THESE DAYS*****." (enough stars for ya, JD?) I don't suppose there is any way I could trick you into reading the whole context so you could see that "these days" refers to the days when Jesus suffers & comes again. Nah, I already know I can't! Going backwards: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. I am Casob! |
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5/9/08 7:16 PM |
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You quote all Israel will be saved. How will God save all of Israel? Is He going to work on their heart and cause them to believe? Is He going to make them willing? What about "free will"? How is God going to save all of them while respecting their "free will". Are they going to be saved apart from believing in Christ? Why are they all going to respond to be saved, when they don't now???? _No! Faith is accepting evidence from a credible source and acting upon it as if it were true. That is why God justifies all that WILL believe because one certainly does not have to accept anything if he chooses not to. And I can not tell you how silly and frightened you will be when you present yourself at the judgment and try to defend the utter foolishness that you men put forth here. I am warning you not to show up before God to answer for such claims. It will not bode well for you! Beware! I am trying to help you here. Now for your question. No, he is going to destroy those who will not believe. Did you read the passage that you quoted to me? Ac 3:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which WILL NOT hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Did you get that? "And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which WILL NOT " Read Friend |
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5/9/08 10:07 AM |
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I am sorry to hear that, MurrayA.Rogerent, I did not read your comment so don't worry about it. We are all passionate about our beliefs once in a while. I am traveling today but will answer you questions later. Here is a false view of interprtation, I think! Ac 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. DJC would accept this as literal and believe that Christ fulfilled it. Ac 3:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. But he does not take this passage literally and assumes that because it was not fulfilled at the same time that God did not really mean what he said. The unbelievers not only were not destroyed but some of them actually became the opposers of the gospel message. Now, since it WAS NOT fulfilled literally, it CANNOT be fulfilled literally! But, will God ever keep this word? Did he mean what he said? The Jews suffered from the same type of interpretive failure when Jesus came and thus rejected the word of God concerning the Christ of God! |
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5/9/08 9:27 AM |
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Ps 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies [are] my meditation.Ps 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts. See, DJC49, you are exposing yourself. You do not know how to think like God and I am not holding that against you. You are the man who has been taught to bracket the term "everlasting" into a time period and you have fallen for it. You have added words to the Scriptures that are not there and taken away words that are there and redefined words that do not agree with your perferred theology. Why should I listen to any man who does that? Lets just be honest with one another. You and I are worlds apart on the fundamentals of the Christian faith and if the foundation is wrong (which in your case it is) how sturdy will the building be? DJC49. this is as plain as I can say it; You are deceived! My advice, examine yourself! |
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5/9/08 8:05 AM |
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The Lone Wolf wrote: Casob, Bottom line, do you deny any "spiritual" relationship between God and Israel in the Old Testament? Yes or No? I don't know what you mean by this question but I think my answer is no, I do not deny it.God led Israel through the wilderness. he was the Shekinah glory cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night. He spoke face to face with Moses and made covenants with the patriarchs. He was the King of Israel during the times of Joshua and the judges. 1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. He appeared in vision to the prophets of Israel and manifested his presence to them in various ways and I am surprised at a question like this. Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, (I am sorry if you think this is a misquote because you have been taught by covenant theologians to believe this epistle is addressed to someone besides the Hebrews and you have fallen for it) |
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5/8/08 10:07 PM |
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You don't need to educate us on your doctrineWe want to know how you come deal with inhabiting the land forever, and your doctrine of only inhabiting the land for 1000 years. _ I am going to guess at what you mean here. The rule of Jesus Christ, the son of David, in time has been predicted from 2 Sam 7 when the covenant was given to David through Nathan the prophet. The length of that rule was not known until the Revelation was given. We know that after a righteous rule by our Lord, he will deliver up the kingdom to the Father and the Father, and the Son will rule from the New Jerusalem where they will abide with the church, the body of Christ which is the temple of the Holy Spirit and the only temple in the eternal state. It is not an accident that the angel said he would show John the bride, the Lambs wife and then proceeded to show him the Eternal City of God, New Jerusalem coming down from heaven. Rev 22:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, |
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5/8/08 5:11 PM |
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Second postNow, God had planned before the foundation of the world for this to be the time when he would form his church, a separate entity from Israel, yet partakers of specific parts of the covenants he has made with Israel. Since the church would be a spiritual entity and have a heavenly inheritance, and completely separate from Israel and with Israel having no national identity during this time, all the physical promises of these covenants are suspended while this takes place with members of Israel having the same responsibility and privilege as anyone else to become a member of this church. Now, when God finishes with this part of the Abrahamic covenant, which will be soon, he will have Israel as a national entity back in the land in part and will once again begin to move to keep all the covenants he has made with this nation exclusively. This will be the time of the fulfillment of these words: 22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. |
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