Listened to 2 sermons mentioned here. I can't recall hearing Mc Arthur before? He gave an estimated number of Americans, I presume; that will die this year from all the various causes. The primary cause is the soul that sins must die, one way or another; his sermon made that clear. I looked at ladybugs link , the writtings of James Meikle, then I listened to 'The Idolatry, Superstition and Sinfulness of Xmas,Christ-Mass, ChristMass, Christmas' Jim Dodson 12/22/1015. I have concluded if not baking cookies, I ought to be stacking wood and cleaning. I am a weak and feckless woman. God forgive me. Not for being a woman, but being a weak one, so easy deceived.
Listen to why idolatry destroys the souls of those who engage in it. Why men ought to protect weak women and children from it. In Ladybugs link Meikle stated “Life is much esteemed, but little improved — while death is treated like a fiction.. belief of death, is of great importance to our living happily, as well as dying hopefully. The prospect of death will prevent us from being puffed up with prosperity, or depressed with adversity, since this is the termination of both.” Mr. Dodson warns what will destroy the souls of those you love, the Christian's greater concern, 2nd to the glory of God.
Not sure it isn't in part my ability to articulate what I'm trying to say. To put thoughts into words is not easy, for a wordy woman in post it notes.
Appreciated your thoughts. A perfect example of not understanding the seriousness of oaths and vows was cookie lacking example. I was shocked at the lack of the fear of God in what was stated.
That is the kind of thing warned of in the NT Scripture. I believe in the text you mention Jacob wanted to call God to witness what Esau said and he agreed to it at the time. As far as Esau was concerned it meant if I fail to keep my word, God is the witness against me. God forgives sin but chastens his own, see Hebrews 12:5 to the end of the chapter where this incident is spoken of regarding Esau. God differentiates not based on men's works but Christ's on their behalf. One can choose not to vow. I believe we lack the fear of God, as we ought. I also believe He is patient knowing we do greatly lack the normal means of grace, but if the Lord condescends to teach us he will expect more from us.
Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
ladybug wrote: For those interested, this is from Jonathan Edwards, 'signs of true revival' - http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=2586
I've read two signs so far thank you for the link
A friend of mine gave me the book 'Tokens for Children' it was a book about children during one of the plagues in New England it was an amazing account of God's work in the hearts of the very young up to a young adult of 19. What was amazing was how it put older Christians to stand amazed at the clear working of God in the hearts of such young children. Reading the testimonies of their parents and pastors, who looked upon the obviously a work of God. One of the youths was a nephew of Cotton Mather, if I recall. A deeply profound 19 year old.
GS and Mike Psalm 103 was most blessed to me when God heard my cries for my own sick child, a number of years ago now.
GS hope all is well, Mike praying for wisdom for parents and grandparents. James 1:2-5
Frank wrote: Is your point that it is okay for folks to use vows and oaths under certain conditions as long as they don't violate those oaths.
I put up the WCF Chap 22 also, with proof texts. Read the proof texts as they are given so you're looking at bite size portions. For an oath or vow to be binding there is Scriptural requirements. It is forswearing, to my understanding, to vow or take an oath that is not in agreement with Scripture. If one is asking the Lord Jesus Christ to be their second, as their Mediator - the only one qualified, like Joshua the type in Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Now remember he is a national representative and he says to the elders Jos 24:19-20 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good. I began here.
pennned wrote: I'll point out that presbytarians consider baby baptism to be the new circumcision ... if one only sees legitimate gov in the church hierarchy (if that is indeed true, which I don't know)
Allie wrote: Hi Mourner, Israel was a theocracy and we are not.
Israel was a monarchy under the Davidic line when Solomon prayed at the dedication of the temple, it was no longer ruled by judges Samuel being the last. God rules over all, with or without man's consent; Jesus Christ is now exalted Mediator at His Father's and our Father, his God and our God's right hand when one is born again. I perceive we have a different understanding of history and a different eschatology. That us why we have differing understandings.
Jer 2:9-14 Wherefore I will yet plead with you, saith the LORD, and with your children's children will I plead. For pass over the isles of Chittim, and see; and send unto Kedar, and consider diligently, and see if there be such a thing. Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit. Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the LORD. For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. Is Israel a servant? is he a homeborn slave? why is he spoiled?
Tennessee wise wrote: Our power does not come from men but God. This is why the great Revivals came we did not run to the government we ran to God .. I would suggest every Christian should listen to Martyn Lloyd Jones series on revival and you can see how God works to restore the land.
Many years ago now I read his book on the subject. I was struck with what he said on this text; Gen 26:17 And Isaac departed thence, and pitched his tent in the valley of Gerar, and dwelt there. Gen 26:18 And Isaac digged again the wells of water, which they had digged in the days of Abraham his father; for the Philistines had stopped them after the death of Abraham: and he called their names after the names by which his father had called them.
Do you recall this in what you heard?
My cursor is jumping all over the place, it is very hard to write. Anyone know why that would be?
Allie wrote: I think ..most churches are not truly preaching the gospel...will not preach against the national sins and call to repentance..
Good morning Allie,
After reading a number of posts, the Scripture came to mind: 2Ch 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
I have heard this text used in sermons a number of times in my life with the emphasis on seeking God in humility and prayer. But what of the subject 'if my people'? The context is a kingdom under God as a nation. Having come out of Ur of the Chaldees in Abram, whose father worshiped the moon god and most likely the other multiplicity of gods; God began with a family who became a nation that He brought up as his peculiar people. It was prayed by Solomon whose father king David began to establish the one true religion *instituted by Jehovah regarding His worship* as given to David as his prophet.
Because of national religious pluralism, you can make a sweeping statement about the ministry in general, but it should not be the case in a rightly ordered church.
About oaths and vows in Matthew and James as regards swearing - it is in the name of anyone or thing other than God for to forswear is to violate the terms of oaths and vows set down by Scripture. God is unchangeable and he states Lev 19:12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. Isa_65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain
WCF Chapter 22 it is on Lawful Oaths and Vows. Consider what it says in the light of Scripture.
I am so much impressed with the brevity of time and the importance of the things that truly matter. When I say that I do not expect, related to unfulfilled prophesy to see the return of Christ in my life time yet related to our duration in time, life hastens a pace and there is much to do. We're not getting any younger and things are changing fast. If you are so inclined, listen to his series on Prophecy I just finished hearing Rev. 20 today.
@ Frank Good afternoon. You mentioned that vows were not for today; that would be related to the Third Commandment and how we worship God, the Fourth Commandment is related to when and I think you'd agree, not all professed Christian's agree on the particulars of what heart felt, imperfect keeping of these Commandments *in Christ's imputed righteousness* should look like.
My thoughts for commenting were on 1 Cor. 7 Paul's addressing a woman's vow that needed her father's approval to be binding, that's Paul's NT take in agreement with your quoted text from Numbers 30.
I believe this is the sermon I was referring to http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=1218151234311 otherwise it was the one before it, but I think it was this one. You might like his 'Bossy Wives, Effeminate Men'. I listened to that with my eldest and it was hard for sinners to hear that know better.
The one you inquired about is not short but if you hear it out and want to give your thoughts, I'd appreciate it.
Does the Scripture teach us to refrain from lies and counter strong delusion with a love of the truth? Where expect to find truth? If one cannot sound the depths of the word of God, does that mean they should not diligently study it? To do so and meet the responsibilities of one's God given duties might not some distractions have to be mortified to make time for study and practical application of what's gleaned?
This is as good a place to respond to what troubled me from my posting on this thread. It is all out war for the souls of our posterity,at this time. Our best efforts are much tainted by remaining sin. I remember one New Years the Church gathered to express thanks for the past year. The women did not speak in public, but they could write if they had no male head of house to speak for them. One of the brother's then read it on their behalf. One year I wrote of my thankfulness for the omnipotence of God, comparing the attempt to keep my boys like being adrift on a sea in a little craft. I quoted from Psalm 107:23-31; that is still my struggle for the souls of my children (now adult men) Is it not yours?
From the Article: "He also heads up an Islamic school called AlMaghrib Institute, .. with 22 locations in the U.S., 8 in Canada, 7 in the United Kingdom, 1 in Sweden and others scattered throughout the Middle East and Asia.”
Taken from Jim's link on another thread: "Today study, the total number of mosques in the United States increased 42 % between 1990 and 2000, 2nd only to the growth of Christian "mega churches."
Compare from Scripture: 2John 1:6-11 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
I did know where the comment came from following the various threads. Patriarchial movement?
Question so now we can removed both the third and the fourth Commandment? On what Scriptural warrant?
What I listened to, addressed what you quote here from Numbers. That it was Adams sin, that was imputed for exactly the reason you quote below. Eve was first in the transgression, yes, but if Adam had interposed and not joined her the result would not have been original sin imputed to posterity for Eve did not have the headship that allowed her to act without Adam.
There was so much to consider in the message that is why I thought of you. It wasn't a vague point, it had very serious ramifications, but for me, it not easily sorted out. Sin is the cause of all our misery in this life and when there is any way for us to avoid it personally, it is not only in our own personal best interest but in the interest of all under our charge, and all those we influence for good or evil.
B. McCausland wrote: Yet, perhaps it would be handy to grab any 'light' means of communication to share a meaningful biblical insight at the end of the year to encourage others in their way.
Reading thru 2 Chronicles I was struck with Asa and Jehoshaphat for as serious as they were as Kings of Judah in doing what was commanded, their failures were not covered by Scripture.
Asa had trusted God in great straights and then gave into his own management of the situation. When a prophet came to him the first time he responded in knowledgeable zeal, the next time he imprisoned the prophet and oppressed some of the people. Jehoshaphat made an alliance with Ahab's house and generational consequence followed. Yet when he was confronted when, 'Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD. Nevertheless there are good things found in thee, in that thou hast taken away the groves out of the land, and hast prepared thine heart to seek God. ' Note his response in the rest of the chapter.
It brought 1 Cor.10:11-14 to my mind. When one desires to flee idolatry this time of year they will be sorely tested.
Frank wrote: IOW, she should be home baking cookies.
Just thinking of your Frank. I believe that you are a serious student of the Scripture, all students need teachers as we are told in Ephesians 4:10-13. All women need headship. We are told in Scripture women have father's and if he is agreeable and they are so gifted most will have a husband.(1Cor.7)
I was thinking about you and Lurker because of what I just listened to. It covered is some depth the topics of Adam's imputed sin and our first parents.
Eve, as the mother of all living was the representative of our human nature and Adam of our human person. Eve was like the wax and Adam the stamp or imprint of our person-hood. Jesus Christ was born of a woman and so with a human nature, but his person was one with the Father John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
It was said that a misapprehension of the role of men and women was the reason for most of what we struggle with at this time. I'm not sure if being home baking cookies will help me address all of what so concerns the glory of God and the good of my family at this time. Something else is missing.
kjg wrote: In a figurative sense-one hand holds an olive branch while the other hand holds a sword. Is this still true today-in these times? Also, I came across the term "Black Pope".
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Heard a lecture recently that spoke of the two horns of the above mention beast that had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon, that stated the horns represented the ecclesiastical and civil branches of the Papal hierarchy, (white pope/black pope).
Some time ago now sa ran an article of a meeting of humanist Jesuits in Ireland this was before the white pope retired. After which time, they (cardinals) worshiped whom they created (next pope) the article came to my recall.
Apparently I missed your point, sorry about that. From my experience, I'd rather they didn't encourage any under my charge to view movies; which I believe such an illustration would do. If a parent disapproves of such and the ministry isn't clear, it could cause family strife. It may make a true point but it wouldn't help me to train up my children in the way they should go. It would seem to me the ministry would have had to watch it to use the illustration and that would commend what I disapprove.
I learned the danger of sci fi many years ago. When my children were young, trying to avoid one danger, we were lured into another, such are the times in which we live, and the warfare between the world, the flesh, and the devil. I've learned it is easier not to have to undo, better to understand, and to do right by grace, finding enjoyment in the Lord and His people. Hope that helps. Post-it notes are challenging.
sf from tx wrote: I'm not familiar with either but I will give the sermon a listen and plan to read the booklet. Have a great day
Sorry that I assumed here. I was thinking of you on my walk, trying to remember what I do know from your posts, I believe what I know is relative to Christian womanhood in a day when it is much under fire from within and without. Have appreciated your words. Praying the Lord helps all that name the name of Christ to walk worthy of the high calling of wife and mother, though a lower position in rank, not value. It makes Christ's subjection to the Father all the more appreciated and we can know he is touched with all the feelings of our infirmities, yet without sin. What a High Priest is our ascended Mediator, what boldness we have in access to the throne of grace in all our weakness.