Lurker wrote:
which obviously must follow after the temporal "1,000 year reign".

ScriptureWritersDispensational wrote:
The Apostle PAUL Was An Estute & Strict DISPENSATIONALIST; As His Very Writings Prove This.
Observe:

"Dispensationalism is a Protestant evangelical tradition based on a biblical hermeneutic that sees a series of chronologically successive "dispensations" or periods in history in which God relates to human beings in different ways under different Biblical covenants. As a system, dispensationalism is rooted in the writings of John Nelson Darby (1800–1882) and the Brethren Movement."

Mike wrote:
Not to fret, Amill. Maybe you'll be allowed to stay behind.

"All this implies that regarding world history, amillennialists adopt a position of sober or realistic optimism. Belief in the present rule of Christ, in the presence of God’s kingdom and in the movement of history toward its goal is accompanied by a realistic recognition of the presence of sin in this world and of the growing development of the kingdom of evil. Amillennial eschatology looks for a culmination of apostasy and tribulation in the final emergence of a personal Antichrist before Christ comes again. Amillennialists do not expect to see the perfect society realized during this present age.

Yet, since we know that the victory of Christ over evil was decisive and that Christ is now on the throne, the dominant mood of amillennial eschatology is optimism — Christian optimism." (A.Hoekema)[URL=http://www.reformationfiles.com/files/displaytext.php?file=hoekema_amillennial.html]]]AMillennialism[/URL]

Pre-TribRAPTUREPre-DatesA-Mils wrote:
The Historic FACTS Remain:
The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Was Taught Since BEFORE The Mid/Late 300s AD; By THE APOSTLE PAUL (See 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18), THE APOSTLE JOHN (See Revelation 4:1) And The POST-APOSTOLIC DISCIPLES OF THE APOSTLES Like Polycarp, Iraneus, Tertullian, Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Papyus, Athanasius,:
As Evidenced In The Writings Of ST. EPHREM, Of Nisbus, The Patriarch Of Historic Orthodox Syriac-Syrian Pre/Post Nicene "Catholic" Christianty:

Jim Lincoln wrote:
One dispensation

Perhaps this might explain the reason you are using the Greek Text of the Heretical, Liberal Anglo-catholic Westcott and Hort. - Inlieu of the Real Bible KING JAMES VERSION of the Word of God.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, these could be those daffy smillennialists they probably thought if this world is getting better, stop it I want to get off!

What are we going to do with you.

[URL=http://www.againstdispensationalism.com/]]]Against Dispensationalism. - Defending Christianity.[/URL]

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Aaww No! Not again this daft idea of the so called dispy premill rapture.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Christians of course can look forward to the Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 1 and Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 2

Christ's promise is for eternity not a just a 1000 years!!

Here are two of SermonAudio's sermon's on the correct Reformers position of "Amillennialism."

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=12402191718]]]Amillennialism Described and Defended. (Chis Hand)[/URL]

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=7120617344]]]Whats a 1000 years among friends?. Kim Riddlebarger[/URL]

Jim Lincoln wrote:
The Timing of the Rapture, Part 1
and

The Timing of the Rapture, Part 2

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Oh, no! amillennialism, we're going to make you a Calvinist yet, John UK!

There is absolutely no need for the Lord to go round again to test His people.

The promise of God is eternity - NOT a measley 1000 years.

Mike wrote:
Did you know that if you spell misspelled correctly, it's still misspelled?

Mike wrote:
The millenial reign will happen. Stand by.

Note - 2 "L's" and 2 "N's"

You see how we Amillennialist's can be nice too!

BTW There isn't going to be any rapture, floating Christians and 1000 years for God to make sure His choices were correct.

djc49 wrote:
....staunchly amillennial.... I have never understood

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Amil, God seem to wait until the Reformation to bring old truths back to light, so nothing is surprising if he waited to point out The Millennium.

PreMillennialism is wrong.

There is absolutely no reason Biblical or otherwise whatsoever for the Lord to repeat the process of election a second time.

God is omnipotent and omniscient HE has already made all the decisions necessary to election and salvation.

Therefore the concept of a one thousand year period of reigning, with another test or trial at the end of it is both unBiblical and irrelevant.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Gil Rugh said or wrote,
The only view that handles scripture in a normal or literal way is pre-millenialism.

Jim. Do you mean that the Lord waited until 1830 and used Margaret MacDonald's vision to communicate HIS intentions for the church a rapture and a 1000 years reign???

Normal? - Literal?....

Then GOD had the criminal Cyrus Scofield rewrite the meaning of Scripture to interpret Dispy Premill???

Then 1000 years is supplanted for what previously was promised "etermal life"

And 1000 years is required for what? To confirm HIS first election was correct???

Is God going to check His own first election and weed out the ELECT??? Just to make sure???

So what you are sugggesting is .....
1) God was not entirely sure about HIS own choice of the Elect.

2) God does not promise eternal life - but has changed His mind to 1000 years - after which HE might give SOME eternal life.

Normal - Literal???

Mr. Dispy wrote:
I wonder whether those of the amill disposition in old times mocked Noah as he built his ark, saying, "It has never been so before!" Or mocked Moses when he gave the law, saying, "We've never had a written law before!" Or mocked Jesus when he came to suffer, and not to restore Israel to its national glory (yet, till the fulness of the Gentiles be come in), saying, "If he be the Christ, let him come down from that cross!"
Oh, wait, there were mockers then, too, weren't there?

Mr. Dispy wrote:
As to your brother Amill's objection to 'flying Christians,' perhaps one of you can explain what is meant by:
1 Th. 4:16-17

15-17 Refer to the resurrection and Christ's 2nd coming to judgment.

But in all seriousness Dispy; Why do you insist on this extraordinary supernatural interpretation viz "flying Christians" - "UNLESS" you combine it with the equally extraordinary millennial theory of Disp. PreMill?

What is to be achieved by the Lord in flying everybody concerned, both dead and living, up in the air?

Is it a spiritual event in PreMill theory? Do the living ones leave their mortal coils behind? Or do the dead ones get a remake of their previous flesh?

But if an entirely spiritual event will it be "flying" as spiritual beings, therefore not quite so extraordinary in that context?

Mr. Dispy wrote:
It's actually pretty simple:
1. The Lord will meet in the air the saints

2. He returns to earth after the time of Jacob's troubles,....

rules for 1000 years on the earth.

3. Satan is loosed and the final rebellion occurs;

4. The Lord creates a new heaven and new earth; Israel enjoys the Lord on the new earth, and the church enjoys the Lord in heaven.

So, while it may seem complicated,

#1 Flying Christians??? Is this God using "means"??? - WHY does HE require them to fly???

#2 Jacob's "troubles" are being sorted out as we speak.

# "1000 years" - What a rip off Dispy!!! We the Elect are getting eternity.

#3 Satan's is doing his evil bit now!!

#4 You're not part JW by any chance are you Dispy???

Nuh!! It ain't complicated as long as you don't try to ruin the real plot as recorded in Scripture.