Alan H wrote:
Mike, the Greek underlying those words is plural or singular, so the KJV is accurate.

Mike wrote:
Something doesn't add up, Alan. Jesus, speaking in John 3:7, is referring to John 3:3. As you pointed out, John 3:3 (thee) is singular. Yet in John 3:7, Jesus is quoted as saying, again to Nicodemus alone, "Marvel not that I said unto thee(What did Jesus say to Nicodemus in verse 3?) Ye must be born again."

I could not reasonably conclude from this that because the KJV includes a plural where it doesn't seem to belong, that it is correct due to the Greek. The context is a one-on-one conversation. How do we get around that?

Mike,

John UK wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong bro, but it seems to me that Jesus was aware of Satan's intention, if granted permission, to make havoc of all the apostles, not just Peter.
You reckon?

Lu 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired [to have] you [plural], that he may sift [you] [plural] as wheat: (KJV)

Lu 22:32 But I have prayed for thee [singular], that thy faith fail not: and when thou [singular] art converted, strengthen thy [singular] brethren. (KJV)

Mike wrote:
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee [singular], Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee [singular], Ye [plural] must be born again.

Why would Jesus speak in the plural to Nicodemus, who came alone? "You and all must ALL be born again"? What's that? The lesson applies to all, but it was spoken to one. Are you not assuming an interpretation not borne by the context, which doesn't call for the plural? Or is it that the KJ HAS to be right, therefore it MUST be plural?

The cart follows the pony, bro.

John UK wrote:
Jesus says:
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
John 3:7 KJV

This means, "Do not be surprised that I say unto you Nicodemus, You and all must ALL be born again."

It is helpful to have the greek accurately translated, so that we have "thee's and ye's" to show that Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus (thee) but the need for being born again applies to (ye) therefore y'all, don't ye know.

Ye have to feel sorry for the MV's who don't have such detail in their miserable and subterfuginous versions.

Lu 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. (KJV)

John,

Jessica Dawson wrote:
I am able to read the KJV and it seems normal to me, but many people are not able to understand Old English.
People were martyred to bring the Gospel to the people in the English language most understandable in yesteryears. So why then do we now persecute those who intend to bring The Gospel to the people in the language of today.

God forbid than any should perish, because one is not willing to bring the Gospel to them in a language understandable to them.

1 Corinthians 14:10-12 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

Sadly, it seems that you have bought into the old argument, "the King James Version is simply too difficult for some people to understand," but is it really any more difficult than the modern versions? Please consider the following facts:

Rick wrote:
It doesn't sound like they are forgiving the Beatles as much as they are endorsding them. True biblical forgiveness does not mean that the offending person in now somehow right, but that the offender, though their actions are wrong, is now no longer liable fo punishment. I guess forgiveness is being re defined along with everything else.

"The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

"Section 3 - State of the Union, Convening Congress

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States."

"Section 4 - Disqualification

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." (Constitution of the United States)

Mike wrote:
Obama's "instructions"? Did he forget what his enumerated authority is?

When the LORD visited Abraham with the two angels prior to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah he commends Abraham for what He foresees concerning him, saying:

"For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him." Ge 18:19

Neil wrote:
BTW, I don't know why folks thought Lennon's remarks were shocking. Lots of things have long been more popular than Jesus; the RCC itself is evidence of that.

What you say is very true, but the only thing which was so shocking was that John Lennon was so bold as to openly boast about it. Roman Catholic's certainly believe it too, but they wouldn't dare acknowledge it. And how many have placed other things ahead of Christ? The vast majority, I'd say... Including even those who profess the name of Christ! If it were not so, this would be an entirely different nation.

Mike wrote:
Maybe the Vatican forgives the Beatles in order to promote the idea that it has the authority to forgive.

"Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy." Mic 7:18

"But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house." Mt 9:6

John UK wrote:
But I'm grateful the law cannot now say to me, "You disobey, you perish!"

It is very clear that the Law cannot threaten the believer in such a manner. And for this reason, both its precepts and its penalty have been fulfilled in Christ on behalf of the Saints. The Law, in a sense, rests satisfied, even as a creditor whose loan has been paid back in full. Its curse is completely removed for the believer.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Ro 3:31

This verse sounds somewhat threatening, as if the believer were put back under the same obligation, but really what it is saying is this:

There is no salvation where the law is not fulfilled. You can test whether someone is really teaching the Gospel or not by this token. Is the law fulfilled? Can we fulfill it? The Law demands absolute perfection. So NO! We cannot establish the law, because our best works are imperfect and even sinful. But Christ has fulfilled both the Law's precepts and its penalty perfectly. By faith this is imputed to the believer. Only in this way, is the law established.

Publican wrote:
My point has not been perceived, much less understood... forgive me, gentlemen; for wasting your valuable time.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Alan H wrote:
Or dead, as portrayed lying in his mother's lap...

Mike wrote:
Not surprising. Jesus is not allowed the resurrection, for he is always portrayed as still on the cross, continually being crucified.

Mike NY
Alan H Washington State
These are excellent comments and tell much.

Oh! If Roman Catholic people only knew the Holiness of God and how to portray Him falsely or less than and different than how He truly is, is such blasphemy it ought to break their hearts they have so sinned against Him and bring them to cry out for forgiveness and mercy.

"These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether [such an one] as thyself: [but] I will reprove thee, and set [them] in order before thine eyes." Ps 50:21

Mike wrote:
Not surprising. Jesus is not allowed the resurrection, for he is always portrayed as still on the cross, continually being crucified.

Publican wrote:
Contrast Isaiah 65:20 in the KJV to virtually all other versions (sadly, including the NJKV). Words have been added and subtracted in order to support a preconceived eschatology. Not only has the meaning of the verse been negated, but that of the entire chapter...

Isa 65:20 (NKJV) "No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isa 65:20 (NAS95) "No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

What the Jesus of the Bible did, He did —once—. Not so, the Roman Catholic Jesus. He is continually re-sacrificed. It is very evident that the reason for this is because His sacrifice is thought to be insufficient or incomplete by the Roman Catholic Church. Also, the Jesus of the Bible is not changed into a wafer, worshipped in that form, and then consumed and swallowed. This is blasphemy.

"Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did —once—, when he offered up himself." Heb 7:27

"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in —once— into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us]." Heb 9:12

"For then must he —often— have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now —once— in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." Heb 9:26

"So Christ was —once— offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." Heb 9:28

John UK wrote:
Hey Alan H

I will gladly spend one hour and twenty three minutes listening to a pastor who believes the Bible is the word of God and encourages others to believe it; it is also good to read that Pastor Silversides makes a good argument rather than resort to the tirades of the "only" people. It is especially good to read that after listening to the sermon, at least one pastor has been confirmed in his use of the Authorized Version, more especially when he was considering moving over to a version.

My family and I visited a Reformed Baptist Church a couple of times recently, but they don’t use the Authorized Version. We hoped to meet some others who use the AV there. Interestingly enough, the pastor himself told us who used it. But it just doesn’t work. It’s confusion. “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” Amos 3:3

John UK wrote:
I still haven't cast my vote on this survey yet, simply because I haven't reached any firm conclusion about it.
I cannot help but think that my ol' Baptist buddy Lurker has got closer than anyone else posting. But Lurker, I do wish you would post in lingo more suited to turnips like what I am.
This is no small issue. I cannot help but feel that the church in general does not lead its membership further into freedom and liberty (in the biblical sense) but rather into deeper and deeper enslavement. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I cannot help feeling what I'm feeling, now can I?
And no, I do NOT celebrate Easter nor Passover!

Scott McMahan wrote:
Nothing surprises me any longer. I suppose I'm desensitized to stuff like this. I know I should be outraged or something.

Matthew 21:12 is the Bible's own built-in commentary on the merchandising of religion.