Veritas wrote:
Dont bring people to church... its not the churches job to save people... the job of the church is to prepare the deciples to spead the Gospel... now it is okay for someone to get saved in church of course but that is not the purpose of the church...

It is always interesting how one can berate and complement the KJV in the same sentence.

“You know I prefer the AV…”

You agree with the KJV when it is translated the way you like but disagree when it is not translated how you like.

You sit in judgment of the text.

Essentially you believe whatever you want to believe.

Do you have a biblical argument for this position?

The problem with Mr. White’s position is that it is not Biblical. He “prefers” certain readings of the KJV at his convenience but does not believe it in its entirety.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

So James White believes the Bible (KJV) “as far as it is translated correctly”... according to him?

While I think it is good to use other means of evangelizing I do believe that Biblically “preaching” is reffering to a specific method.

Preaching is shouting in a loud voice in public.

Shouting is not rude, bad manners nor foreign to God.
God has a loud voice and his prophets preached in a loud voice.

“Probably, way too many operate in the flesh and not in the Spirit. Everyone wants attention, eh?“
You mean like all those who make excuses not to preach?

“... it was as though peace settled over the neighborhood.“
So it is OK to pray so loud that all the neighborhood can hear but preaching is only for those few who are called?
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

“... though being a woman, I have not been called to preach - just to share.“
To bad more men don’t have your “calling”.

Do you mean that all the verses commanding Christians to preach are not for you? Are we to just pick and chose what verses we like?

Wayne wrote: “...but most of us are called to love people into the kingdom.“

No one is CALLED to love people into the kingdom. I would love to see what scripture you twist to prove this heresy.

Now I have heard it all! You are just going to love them in. I am so sure.
Let’s see how much you love people. Give your money to the poor.
THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.
99% of all Christians today are afraid to preach but are big on talking love.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

PREACHING IS NECESSARY FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO THE KINGDOM.

Best done through friendship?

1Cor1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Wayne wrote: “Jesus was called the friend of sinners because he hung out with them, not because he preached at them.“

This was a false accusation charged against Jesus. Are you doing the same?
Actually Jesus was preaching when he exposed this false accusation.

Why should we have to? Why don’t Christian men do what the are commanded to do and get out on the streets and preach!

“What about, if i was crabby and selfish at home (where no-one can see me) and yelled the verses-is that preaching the gospel?“

Why not repent and get right with God and get out there and preach you Christian men!

“What if I dabble in a bit of spiritualism, or if im a secret alcoholic? Can a homosexual vicar preach the gospel?“

They are commanded first to repent and believe in Christ’s and then get out on the streets and preach!

“1. I need to get the call“

CHRISTIAN MEN HAVE THE COMMAND!

“2. I need to be full of the spirit“

AND THEN GET OUT ON THE STREETS AND PREACH!

“3. I get prayer covering with the full armour of God.“

AND THEN GET OUT ON THE STREETS AND PREACH THE GOSPEL SO THE LOST SINNERS CAN GET THEIR SINS COVERED WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS!

There is a difference between preaching the gospel and screaming out a few bible verses (which is why I bring up this whole subject of what is the gospel...)

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Also, the Bible makes it very clear that the proper method of preaching is shouting in a loud voice in public.

Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh [is] grass, and all the goodliness thereof [is] as the flower of the field:

9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift [it] up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!

God not only didn’t have to repeat himself, He didn’t have to state the “moral” laws the first time; moral laws are written in the hearts of man.
Nevertheless commandments 1-3 and 5-10 are found in Paul’s writings as being applicable to the Believer (not for salvation). However the keeping of the Jewish religious Sabbath has never been commanded to Gentile believers. The Apostle Paul actually comes down very hard on Sabbath keepers.
Col 2:16; Gal. 4:9-11; Rom. 14:5-6

How many times does God have to repeat Himself concerning Gentiles and the Sabbath?

But if you check his comments with JD's teaching: "The qualifications of an apostle are given in acts..." I believe one can arrive at a correct understanding.

There are certainly no new Apostles today but we still have the gift of the Apostles.

Whithout getting into all the obvious problems and contradictions with the notion that there are new Apostles today let me state that we certainly do have the gift of the Apostles today in the Scriptures themselves.

The Qur'an is less true because man is it's author whereas God is the author of the Bible.

and no council decide which books...

Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

I find your comparison insincere to say the least.

Have you read the Qur'an? If so, let me ask you this: What is the chaff to the wheat?

Linus, the truth is not something confussing or hidden; it is clear, apparent and to be found by any true seeker. Faith is by no means blind.

If you do not know which is the Word of God, the Bible or the Qur'an, it is because you have not saught the truth in that matter.

Correct application of the law is understood in light of Paul's teachings.

1Tim. 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
...
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust."

I have removed the parenthetical thought of verse 9 and 10 to make the meaning of verse 8-11 more easily understood.

Paul clearly taught the applicability of the law to the Christian...

Rom.13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

...with the exception of the 4h commandment.