Veritas wrote: Dont bring people to church... its not the churches job to save people... the job of the church is to prepare the deciples to spead the Gospel... now it is okay for someone to get saved in church of course but that is not the purpose of the church...
It is certainly one of the purposes of the church.
1Cor 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
Mr. Dispy stated. â€śYou know I prefer the AV (though am no KJVOnlyist), but neither the blessed brethren who did that great work nor the other Reformers had yet recovered all the truth that had been obscured by centuries of Roman suppression of truth.â€ś
It is always interesting how one can berate and complement the KJV in the same sentence.
â€śYou know I prefer the AVâ€¦â€ť
You agree with the KJV when it is translated the way you like but disagree when it is not translated how you like.
You sit in judgment of the text.
Essentially you believe whatever you want to believe.
Do you have a biblical argument for this position?
Was this verse translated correctly? Prov. 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
â€śIf by your use of the word 'preach' you include these forms of 'preaching' then I would be in full agreement with you.â€ť
While I think it is good to use other means of evangelizing I do believe that Biblically â€śpreachingâ€ť is reffering to a specific method.
Preaching is shouting in a loud voice in public.
Shouting is not rude, bad manners nor foreign to God. God has a loud voice and his prophets preached in a loud voice.
Deu. 5.22 These words the LORD spakeâ€¦ with a great voice: Mic. 6.9 The LORD' S voice crieth unto the city Isa. 40.3,6,9 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, â€¦lift up thy voice with strength; â€¦lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; Jon. 1.2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; John 7.37 â€¦Jesus stood and cried, saying, John 12.44 Jesus cried and said, Acts 2.14 But Peter, â€¦ lifted up his voice, Acts 23.6 â€¦, he cried out in the council, Jer. 11.6 Then the LORD said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Pro. 1.20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: Mat. 10.27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
â€śHi Bret, You live in Mexico, what is the Christian scene like there? Good churches? Freedom to preach the gospel, especially in the open-air? I'd be thrilled to hear about the open air preaching.â€ś
â€śAs far as street preaching - only those called of God should do that.â€ś There is a clear command in the Scriptures to preach (no need to wait for a â€ścallingâ€ť)
â€śProbably, way too many operate in the flesh and not in the Spirit. Everyone wants attention, eh?â€ś You mean like all those who make excuses not to preach?
â€ś... it was as though peace settled over the neighborhood.â€ś So it is OK to pray so loud that all the neighborhood can hear but preaching is only for those few who are called? Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
â€ś... though being a woman, I have not been called to preach - just to share.â€ś To bad more men donâ€™t have your â€ścallingâ€ť.
It is not that Christian men donâ€™t have the â€ścallingâ€ť or the clear command to preach (shout in a loud voice in public) but rather that they are afraid.
Wayne wrote: â€śSome people are called to preach in the streets and house to house,...â€ť
Do you mean that all the verses commanding Christians to preach are not for you? Are we to just pick and chose what verses we like?
Wayne wrote: â€ś...but most of us are called to love people into the kingdom.â€ś
No one is CALLED to love people into the kingdom. I would love to see what scripture you twist to prove this heresy.
Now I have heard it all! You are just going to love them in. I am so sure. Letâ€™s see how much you love people. Give your money to the poor. THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT. 99% of all Christians today are afraid to preach but are big on talking love.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
PREACHING IS NECESSARY FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO THE KINGDOM.
Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Also, the Bible makes it very clear that the proper method of preaching is shouting in a loud voice in public.
Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh [is] grass, and all the goodliness thereof [is] as the flower of the field:
9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift [it] up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!
The reason why Christian men donâ€™t preach is because they are afraid. There are no biblical arguments against preaching, just excuses.
DR from Ireland wrote: â€śWhile I respect where you are coming from, I do not think you can argue from silence, as this would mean that God has to repeat Himself. You mention Rom 13:9-10, but this does not refer to commandments 1-3, should we stop keeping those as well.â€ś
God not only didnâ€™t have to repeat himself, He didnâ€™t have to state the â€śmoralâ€ť laws the first time; moral laws are written in the hearts of man. Nevertheless commandments 1-3 and 5-10 are found in Paulâ€™s writings as being applicable to the Believer (not for salvation). However the keeping of the Jewish religious Sabbath has never been commanded to Gentile believers. The Apostle Paul actually comes down very hard on Sabbath keepers. Col 2:16; Gal. 4:9-11; Rom. 14:5-6
How many times does God have to repeat Himself concerning Gentiles and the Sabbath?
Gal. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Bamaboy is correct up to a point when he wrote: As for, 1Co 13:9-10, how can that be the Bible?........ All those gifts are â€śFor the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:â€ť?They were to continue untilâ€¦? Look at verse 13. This â€śperfectingâ€ť will go on until â€śwe all come to unity of the faith;â€ť
But if you check his comments with JD's teaching: "The qualifications of an apostle are given in acts..." I believe one can arrive at a correct understanding.
There are certainly no new Apostles today but we still have the gift of the Apostles.
Whithout getting into all the obvious problems and contradictions with the notion that there are new Apostles today let me state that we certainly do have the gift of the Apostles today in the Scriptures themselves.
Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Linus wrote "Just a thought. What makes the Holy Qur'an, written by the Prophet Muhammad at 632AD, less true than the Holy Bible, collated at the Council of Nicea in 325AD, where they decided which books were heretical and chose which books were the true Word of God. Both claim to be God's Word."
The Qur'an is less true because man is it's author whereas God is the author of the Bible.
and no council decide which books...
Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
I find your comparison insincere to say the least.
Have you read the Qur'an? If so, let me ask you this: What is the chaff to the wheat?
Linus, the truth is not something confussing or hidden; it is clear, apparent and to be found by any true seeker. Faith is by no means blind.
If you do not know which is the Word of God, the Bible or the Qur'an, it is because you have not saught the truth in that matter.
If you do not know wether on not the earth is less than 10,000 years old (more like 6,000 - COME ON CHRISTIANS, TAKE A STAND) it is not because of lack of evidence or unclear Biblical interpretation.
Correct application of the law is understood in light of Paul's teachings.
1Tim. 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; ... 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust."
I have removed the parenthetical thought of verse 9 and 10 to make the meaning of verse 8-11 more easily understood.
Paul clearly taught the applicability of the law to the Christian...
Rom.13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.