Dr. Phil wrote:
when I challenged your use of Warfield as an authority, you resorted to an ad homenim ..............

.....The Bible alone is the Word of God.

JD wrote:
Joh 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
This is the one argument that exposes the serious flaw of false religion more so than any other, IMO. None of the Catholics and Presbyterians are going to a place where there is much water to sprinkle with less than 6 ounces of water from a vial.

The simple reason why the local river was used is the numbers of people who were involved, NOT the amount of water to be applied as a sign. How much water is required for a sign? Obviously the Baptist requires a specific amount to cover the whole person. However NO WHERE in Scripture is this particular point, as to quantity of water spoken of. The reality of the river scene is that all three modes of applying water can be viewed sprinkling, pouring or immersion. But none are proven in this scenario.

Oh Look JD, lots of people

Matt 3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

Dr. Phil wrote:
I like many things written by Warfield, but I can not subscribe to his infallibility as you do.

Lance Eccles wrote:
The RCC, I repeat, has never had a doctrine on the fate of the souls of unbaptized infants.

Dr. Phil wrote:
I don't think the "mystic" Bavinck is a good source

"the controversies of the earlier half of the nineteenth century compacted a body of Calvinistic thought which gives way but slowly: and the influence of the great theologians who adorned the Churches during that period is still felt (especially Charles Hodge, 1797-1878, Robert J. Breckinridge, 1800-1871, James H. Thornwell, 1812-1862, Henry B. Smith, 1815- 1877, W. G. T. Shedd, 1820-1894, Robert L. Dabney, 1820-1898, Archibald Alexander Hodge, 1823-1886). And in Holland recent years have seen a notable revival of the Reformed consciousness, especially among the adherents of the Free Churches, which has been felt as widely as Dutch influence extends, and which is at present represented in Abraham Kuyper and Herman Bavinck, by a theologian of genius and a theologian of erudition worthy of the best Reformed traditions." (B B Warfield)

Mike wrote:
I wonder why he saw "the foreknowledge of God and the freedom of man together" as contradictory? Foreknowledge does not require them to be.

israeltheou wrote:
Upon death, the animating spirit -- the "spirit of life", which the Lord imparts to each fleshly being at birth --

Does that imply in your conviction that abortion does not terminate a life? Do you believe the Foetus/fetus is not a living being?
______________________________

JD
"The reason men are spiritually dead is because they have not the Spirit of God. They are separated from him by their sin!"

JD wrote:
So, what is death? It is the opposite of life! And what is life? It is the presence of God in intimate relationship.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
To not have the Spirit is to not have life.
Ro 8:10 .... but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

John Yurich wrote:
What do you mean that Christian values are not being taught in the Church Of England and the Church Of Scotland? The Church Of England and the Church Of Scotland teach Christian values.

"GARRISON, NY, February 22, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In 2005 the world was horrified when it was revealed that in the Netherlands doctors were not only openly admitting that they had killed disabled newborn infants, but that the medical institution was actively promoting child euthanasia through the so-called Groningen Protocol. The protocol - the full name of which is The Groningen Protocol for Euthanasia in Newborns - lays out a set of guidelines that must be followed in making and executing the decision to kill a newborn infant.

The revelation that newborn euthanasia was both common and acceptable in the Netherlands was greeted with harsh criticisms from around the world, with one Italian Minister going to far as to accuse the Netherlands of Nazism. Others expressed their disgust that many of the children who were being euthanized by Dutch doctors were children with Spina Bifida, a condition with which many people have lived well into adulthood and had fulfilling lives."

Thats strange! I didn't know they were taught in schools?

I mean, they are not taught in the Church of England nor the Church of Scotland; - so why teach the kids that which is alien to the majority of adults?

After all, the Wrath to come is coming for a reason is it not?

OR

Is it just an impression over here in Britain, or is your media also concentrating more on Hillary and Obama - rather than the Republican effort?

CNN and Fox, which we receive, seem more interested in the Domocratic show.

Thats because back in the old days when the over 50's were children, we had churches who taught the religion of Christianity.

But today we have too many churches which teach the religion of Liberalism; - an entirely different religion and a different book.

So the Lord doesn't bring the children today, to these modern churches, because He does not want them to hear and learn satanic heresy.

2Pet 2:1 ".....there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of."

2Tim 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY.

Michael Hranek wrote:
So let me ask you a question,
"Does the dogmatic Calvinist who believes they are choosen for eternal salvation really think in terms that their own personal sins are so bad that they must needs be saved from them to whereby they cry out to God to be saved from their sins and the only way God could do this is for His Son to die on the Cross and shed His blood for them?" It may be that the abuse of TULIP serves as a hinderance for those holding to it to see any need of personal repentance and allows for a form of godliness (religion) that denies the power thereof.

T. = Only Jesus alone can save we can't do anything to this end.

U. = Only Jesus alone does save! There are zero conditions we can offer to this end.

L. = Only Jesus does save His Elect, His choice.

I. = Only Jesus can save by the irresistible force of His grace.

P. = Only Jesus does save by enabling His chosen few to persevere to the end.

Michael Hranek wrote:
"Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
And we need to tell sinners this.
For how shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed....

Rev 3.16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Discerning Believer wrote:
What I find interesting is that infralapsarianism won over supralapsarianism at the Council of Dort.

Hence - Order of God's decrees in Supra
1] Purpose of all things
2] To create man elect/reprobate
3] To permit fall
4] to provide Mediator to justify and condemn.

Order of God's decrees in Infra
1] To create man in holiness
2] To permit fall
3] To elect/reprobate
4] To bring about salvation in Christ.

Gen 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
= Was this a tempting prospect to the mortal?

And God said

Proverbs 16:4 The *LORD* hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Psalm 94:23 And *HE* shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.

Mike wrote:
But do you not agree donuts are better dunked in coffee than sprinkled with it? There you go!

WCF 28.3. Dipping of the person into the water is not necessary; but baptism is rightly administered by pouring or sprinkling water upon the person.
Mark 7:4; Acts 2:41; 16:33; Heb 9:10, 19-22.

4. Not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience unto Christ, but also the infants of one or both believing parents are to be baptized.
Mark 16:15-16; Acts 8:37-38.
Gen 17:7, 9 with Gal 3:9, 14 and Col 2:11-12 and Acts 2:38-39 and Rom 4:11-12; Mat 28:19; Mark 10:13-16; Luke 18:15; 1 Cor 7:14.