As to preservation of God's word...it is the copies that followed after the autographs had turned to dust...that God preserved for us.

Remo & Susan Graziotin: Who says they are more reliable??

* you or me?? Yes...we can learn textual criticism and how we received our Bible into English from the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.

* modern Scollars??? ...and ancient too. Textual criticism has been around longer that KJVO...which only started in the 70's from J.J. Ray and Otis Fuller plagerizing from Seventhday Advantist teacher, Benjamin Wilkerson.

Remo & Susan Graziotin: Psalms 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Of course this verse dontn,t mean what it plainly says to those who hate truth.

Jerry: It does...if you do not bring a KJVO presuposition to the text.

Read:

Why Psalm 12:6,7 Is Not A Promise Of The Infallible Preservation Of Scripture

My Testimony:

My concern is the step back towards sacramentalism...adding sacraments to the grace of God. This is where the Reformation protested against Romes insistence to add baptism (baptismal regeneration - infants & adults) and the Mass (transubstantiation) to the gospel. Luther, Calvin and those who followed them...went only as far as to reform Rome's doctrines....when instead they should have went to complete the work to restore the doctrines of the Christian faith. But this would have brought them to align with the Separatist...something they did not want....since they saw them as Rome did...heretics.

Reminiscent of the heresy of JD'ism.

St Jeremiah: Ohhh...I see this is a Reformed Covenant Theology Only place. If you ain't Reformed....you ain't welcome kinda survey...do I understand your correct?

I've been run outta several sites like this...Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 13 seemed to have been cut out of their Bible and the rules of the Board applied to everyone but them. They would run rough shod over any that did not say their shibboleth (Judges 12:6). I've been called a heretic, false teacher, liar, deceived by Satan, stupid, idiot, ect., ect....I'm sure you keep a list handy if a flaming insult hasn't been used yet.

....who occasionally sins ... Satan will try to convince you that you are an unworthy, unacceptable, sin-sick person who will never amount to anything in God's eyes" (Victory Over the Darkness, pp. 44-45, 56).

I do not recommend nor endores all that Dr. Anderson teaches...but on sanctification I find he is biblical in this area. Other areas..he is flawed: http://www.equip.org/free/DA080.htm
I only call myself what the Bible calls me. Rome has no monopoly on this idenification that they have redefined. I am a saint in Christ Jesus...set apart by God to be used by Him in the work He has foreordained for me to do (Ephesians 2:10).

Craig Ellachie: Doesn't sound kosher thus far.???

Some on earth - some in heaven.???

Isn't that a Jehovah's Witness belief and teaching.???

St Jeremiah: Nope...I know....have examined their teaching for over 30 years. My neighbors were J.W.'s and expected Jesus to return in 1975 or 76. As a teenager I witnessed to them that this was not going to happen.
So how have I offended you to respond to me in this way?

Craig Ellachie: Also this guy is calling himself a Calvinist - But no Calvinist would use the "St." something, type of pseudonym.

Thank you...I made a mistake....see you found that I was "flawed" and "imperfect."

Remo & Susan Graziotin: Thats good you and Yamil can stay there and wait for some one one day to veiw your thoughts.

I get frequent traffic to my site...I have had responses from around the world and by e-mail. Sermon Audio is predominatly displayed at my site. I encourage visitors to find a sermon and listen to it.

I hope you will visit me there one day also.

Your servant in Christ

A) Original autographs

B) Copies

Independent Baptist teach that when one believes and show evidence of conversion (join a local Church, be immersed, partake of the Lord's supper, submission to discipleship, soul winning, ect) and fruit of the Holy Spirit...then their profession is authenticated..."God always will love him to the end." If they should sin...then Jesus is their advocate to plea for them (1 John 2:1& 2). Peter is an illustration of such a struggling saint. Though he denied the Lord...the Lord did not disown him
(2 Timothy 2:11-13).

But a Judas Iscariot and Simon the Sorcerer (Acts 8:9-25)made profession of faith and showed evidences. Why can we say they are lost...or "was never true faith!" Because God revealed their hearts and said they never were saved.

Then we have Ananias and Sapphira, John Mark, or Demas? The Bible is silent of their final spiritual destinty...except John Mark where later he repented and became useful. They serve as examples that God delt with them as His children (Hebrews 12:4-12) or He delt with them as sinners. But we really cannot be sure. God's word only instructs us to treat them as lost until they repent and then restore them to the fellowship (Matthew 18:15-20).

Excuse me....I am an Independent Baptist....and I and Independent Baptist I fellowship do not agree with Onlooker...since this is not what the Bible teaches. A profession of faith, strong or otherwise, does not automatically mean one is "saved." There are evidences of salvation and fruits of righteousness that will accompany and follow after a profession. If one makes a profession and does not continue in Jesus' teaching cannot be "saved" since he lack evidence he is saved. (John 8:31). But even if evidence is lacking....can we really say:

God always will love him to the end

................or.................

No it was never true faith!

Sr Jeremiah: I use to be perfect...then I found out that this position was flawed.

I use to be a KJVO. But the more I looked into it...the more problems I found. Through Baptist Biblical Heritage...I came out of the movement.

BBH has now become the King James Only Resources Center www.kjvonly.org

Best article is:

The Unlearned Men:
The True Genealogy and Genesis of King-James-Version-Onlyism By Doug Kutilek
http://www.kjvonly.org/doug/kutilek_unlearned_men.htm

St Jeremiah: I am a Independent Fundimentalist Baptist. But it has to be clarified...because there are alot of preconceived notions of what one is. So to help others know...I explained myself of what catagory or variety I am.

Craig Ellachie: By their fruit they will be known, - Not by their statement. That takes a little longer.

Actiually I do not produce "fruit" but "nuts" Just a lame joke. I have been a saint in Christ Jesus since March 22, 1971. I have my own blog where I post my thoughts.

www.calledsaintsinchrist.blogspot.com

Craig Ellachie: If not KJV - What then, NIV.???