Jeremiah: Not in 1300 words or less.

R & S: You belive that God is not able to KEEP HIS Word?

Jeremiah: Translations are not divinely inspiried and inerrant. But still we have the word of God with the best translations available.

R & S: Also Jerry you keep instisting I am a KJV only I have never stated that to you so could please be correct in stgating what I have said please.

Jerry: Sorry...you repeat their Shibboleth...I mistook you for one.

R & S: you said..Until I understood textual criticism and the Baptistic history on the Bible...I was woefully ignorant and ill equipped to know how to respond to KJVO

Jerry: I was making a gernal comment not specifically addressed to you or anyone else. Sorry you took it as directed to you...it was not ment to be.

R & S: But I have since learned more...and see the deception of defending a translation as "infallible and inerrant." I see by this statment where all the problem lie. At least your honest about it..

Jeremiah: I want to be....but I am spread too thin right now. Long story...

R & S: You seem to want people who are member here to go to other site. Why not support this one is it because you want to leed people away and this site belives in covernant theology..

Jeremiah: If you visited my blogspot and other places I post...I promote Sermon Audio and recommend sermons. I also pray for the ministry. There is more here than covenant theology...there are dispensational teachers like Gil Rugh and Greg Barkman.

R & S: The next thing you might say the reformers where ingorant and didn't really reform anything but had too many Bad things attached..The 1800 to modern man is the enlighten generation free from that old nonsence..

Jeremiah: Sorry Craig...there is no "Covenant of Grace." We are under the "New Covenant in Jesus' blood." God graciously justifies the sinner through faith in Christ Jesus. They are placed into this "New Covenant" when they are cleansed by Jesus' blood. This sanctifies them by the Spirit...making them part of the priesthood of believers to offer up spiritual sacrifices unto the Lord.

Typically, Covenant Theology views the history of mankind's redemption from sin under the framework of three over-arching theological covenants:

*the Covenant of Redemption
*the Covenant of Works
*the Covenant of Grace

These three covenants are called "theological covenants" because they are not explicitly presented as such in the Bible, although covenantalists see them as theologically implicit.

Covenant Theology teaches that God has established two covenants with mankind and one within the Godhead to deal with how the other two relate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_theology

Jeremiah: You are welcome. You have a base to build your study on this subject.

I would recommend this book:

THE GREEN LETTERS
A.K.A. PRINCIPLES OF SPIRITUAL GROWTH
Miles J. Stanford

Jeremiah: This is why I provided a link to the article. This is NOT a discussion board medium...so I cannot give a full quote. This medium is only to make a statement on why one voted on the survey as they have. I limit any discussion here for this reason. If you are a member of a discussion board...or want to discuss at my blog...let me know...and we can expand our dicussion.

MurrayA: What does the story above prove? Nothing at all, except to provide some emotive innuendo against ancient sources for the NT.

Jerry: I have 100% confidence that my translation of the Bible from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into English...IS THE WORD OF GOD.

Jerry: It just means that the monks did not know what they have...and did not know the value of what was being burned.

Tischendorf first saw Aleph when he visited the monastery in 1844. During the visit he noticed pages of vellum (a kind of parchment) in a trash-basket which, he learned, were going to be used as fuel in the furnace. He was also told that two baskets-full had already been burned. Tischendorf persuaded the monks to let him have 43 of the pages, which were all from the Old Testament, and not to burn the rest. He presented the 43 pages to his patron, the King of Saxony, and the pages were placed in the University Library at Leipzig.
http://www.kjvonly.org/other/riplinger_lockman.htm

R & S: Just because they claim their older doesn,t mean they are more reliable. as all the other versions exert in some degree or greater.

The Bible:

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The church was never meant to be a cozy club of like-minded people. One race or social position or intellectual caliber. Christians are not clones, identical in all respects. One of the difficulties the church has always faced is that included in its membership are the rich and the poor, the powerful and the powerless, those from every stratum of society, the old and the young, adults and children, conservatives and the radicals. People from a great number of nations are Christians and people of every temperament. Now we bring that all together in the body and we are now to function in a harmonious, unified loving way in our relationship to one another.

Response To Weaker Believers
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sid=9160417369

Bible:

Gal. 5:14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Gal. 4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. 13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. 14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. 15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of?

16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them. 18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing...

Jerry: No I rely on the grace of God.

Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil. Jeremiah 13:23

There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:20

For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. Romans 7:19-20

8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. 1 John 1:8-10

So what then does it mean to "hear" and "believe"???

How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
Romans 10:14

17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. 18But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
"Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world." 19Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,
"I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding." 20And Isaiah boldly says,
"I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me." 21But concerning Israel he says,
"All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people."

Romans 10:17-21

First comes preaching, then hearing, then believing. Hearing can be hindered by disobedience and obstinacy.

No translation from the manuscripts are infallible nor inerrant:

Defects of the King James Version
http://www.bible-researcher.com/kjvdefects.html

Fortunately we have enough copies to establish what the original read like with a good degree of certainty. This is the task of textual criticism: to examine the manuscripts and determine what is original text and what are copying errors.
One of the drawbacks of making copies is that once a mistake has been made, unless it is so obvious as to be corrected, it will appear in all the copies of that copy from now on. Because of this, consideration must be given to the age of the manuscripts that contain a particular reading as well as the number of manuscripts that contain it. If an error is made in an early manuscript, all the copies from it will contain that error. If it was an often copied manuscript, there will be many manuscripts that contain that error, so the true text cannot be arrived at by counting manuscripts.

Manuscripts that were copied from the same or similar manuscripts shown similar readings and similar errors. These manuscripts are grouped together in what is sometimes called text families, or in this book, types of ancient text. In the second to fourth centuries four major types of ancient text appeared. They are commonly given the names Alexandrian, Western, Caesarean, and Byzantine.