Mike wrote:
"Mayor suggests Jesus would allow same-sex marriage"
Jesus Jones, maybe. But not Jesus Christ.

After so many things that we apparently disagreed on, I'm very happy to find something that unites us: The Blasphemous statement by the Mayor of Los Angeles.

As one who lives and works in the LA Metroplex, I can say that Antonio has no credibility with most people. He is an Adulterer and home wrecker! Who would take advice from a man who clearly lacks the character and moral compass that people need.

Human wrote:
Why 'white christian' and 'black christian'? Deosn't the bible talk about 'there is no no longer jew or gentle'? ISn't every saved person saved from their background into God's family?

Very good question. And the answer is we're suppose to be all of one blood and one faith. I pray that the Body of Christ realizes this truth someday before Jesus returns!

Blessings!

Banned wrote:
Reports have it that MacArthur reassured the young suicide that committing suicide would not keep a person from Heaven, that once saved always saved, and nothing could snatch somebody out of God's hand, even suicide. So the young man believed MacArthur and went ahead and committed suicide, that his fear of Hell was the only thing keeping him from it and once MacArthur reassured him on that score he went for it.

Once again: YOU ARE WRONG! Have enough humility to admit that you don't know. I do, because I have a relationship with MacArthur, The Master's College & Seminary, as well as Grace Community Church! I live 20 minutes from these campuses and my wife is a 1999 graduate from the School! I know what I am talking about!

Banned wrote:
John MacArthur was involved in a terrible scandal, was he not, from his counseling? Did he not advise some young man that if he committed suicide that he woudl still go to Heaven? And the young man DID?
The parents sued. I don't blame them.
His advice was wrong. Suicide is self-murder, and the Bible says, "do not be deceived, no murderer will go to Heaven."

Again you are WRONG! The TRUTH of the matter is John MacArthur's church counseled a young man that his problem was sin, and that he needed to be saved!

Upon hearing that, the young man committed sucided because he felt that he was a "lost sinner and that God couldn't possibly save him."

lyn wrote:
Vogue- In my own defense, You NEVER said 'biblical' counseling, you said 'professional' counseling. To insult me is 'Christian'? May I recommend weighing your words more carefully.

May I recommend that you pay attention to detail and context before you conclude that I am giving people evil advice?

My context was clear that I was speaking of Biblical counseling as I obviously was pointing Fredrick to the Lord, not to man!

Fredrick wrote:
Thank you [ lyn,Idh, Banned, Vogue, Randomthinking ] for your genuine care, concern and advice. Even though there were some differences of oppinion, I still wanted to tell all of you, [thank you, again]

Thanks again, and I am glad that some of us could be of some help. Now, I want to clarify something that Lyn said. She told you to ignore my advice for you to seek counsel.

However, she is the one who is wrong! God has raised up men and women who have been trained in the discipline of "Biblical Counseling", and who can help you to work through some things.

Interestingly, Lyn encouraged you to listen to men like John MacArthur, and I agree wholeheartedly as he is a tremendous communicator of the truth.

Guess What? John MacArthur advocates Biblical Counseling! His school, The Master's College, actually has a counseling department and a degree in Biblical Counseling. How do I know? MY dear wife has a degree from his school!

Thanks for sharing and for being vulnerable and transparent. First, it doesn't neccessarily mean that you are not saved because you are struggling.

The simple truth is every professing Christian struggles with something, even the people who are giving you advice.

The Bible is replete with examples of people who were "genuine" believers, but who were still being dominated by the sins of the flesh. God did not redeem your old, Adamic Sin nature, however, if you are Born Again, then He has given you His own divine nature which gives you the ability to be victorious over a sinful lifestyle!

While we do not what his struggles were, it is clear that even the great apostle Paul struggled with indwelling sin (Please read Romans 7). However, he also learned that victory was through his relationship to Jesus, and not his own human ability.

Mike wrote:
"You missed the point! There are MORE Whites on welfare than Blacks! All one has to do is to look it up and the data will speak for itself!"
Big deal. Could it be that that there are a bunch more whites than blacks? What would you expect?

Banned wrote:
If Manning has a church for 27 years and gets invited to speak around the country by other pastors, it shows he has stature and credibility.
Lots of people think Obama is The One, the Messiah, that he's going to restore the Constitution, bring peace and save the country. We'd all like for that to be true, but the facts show otherwise.
Obama, aka Barry Sotero, is already talking about a universal draft.Insiders like Powell, Albright and Biden are warning of a certain terrible crisis on or about January 21 and 22 that will dwarf 9/11. Last fall a plane loaded with nuclear warheads was "accidentally" ordered sent by the USAF from one state to another, and when it landed it mysteriously was missing one of the nukes. Somebody in our military stole a warhead which if dropped on Erie, PA, could, with wind currents, take out Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester.
9/11 and Oklahoma were staged by our own corrupt government, and if Insiders are telling us to expect more of the same I'm listening.

F.G. wrote:
Vogue,
In responding to your posts I have thus far not entered into any personal assaults against you, but you have accused me of being a racist and on top of that you have called me a liar. Based on this I'm beginning to wonder if you have been regenerated at all. Do you read your bible, or does it perilously sit on your bookshelf collecting dust on its cover to the point where you can (as Spurgeon used to say)write the word DAMNATION on it.
Stop trying to examine me, and start examining yourself, to see whether or not you are even in the faith.
2Cor.13:5

Banned wrote:
Obama does not appear to be a natural citizen, not even a naturalized citizen. He is not officially president until December 15 when the electoral college delegates vote; and they may well not vote him in because he refuses to prove he is a natural born U.S. citizen rather than a non citizen, and citizen of Indonesia and/or Kenya.
It appears The One is neither a natural born nor even a naturalized United States citizen. His mother did not live in the country long enough to make him automatically a citizen, and he was not born in America. Further, he was adopted by his Indonesian father and a citizen of Indonesia.
Obama, aka Barry Sotero, aka Barky Sotero, aka Barry Dunham, needs to produce his vault birth certificate and reassure people that he is constitutionally qualified to be our president.
The One is a puppet of foreign banksters and Zionists, and his purpose is to serve as a big distraction to keep our minds off the rape and theft of our country and the horrors of the tyranny that are being cemented around us.

Mike wrote:
You are hilarious, Vogue. You also wrote:
"Wow! I am amazed as to why the Moderators let you put up this nonsense and slander of the next President of the USA! Imagine, a person who has never met the man, doesn't know him personally, and yet, you have all of these "FACTS" on him. I know God must be very grieved with you!"
Do you know Manning personally? If so, how and where the association? If not, do you retract your idle gossip, nonsense and slander?

You thought you had me did you? He is a lunatic, and thankfully, my friend's pastor stopped inviting him because of his abrasive style and outright insults of the membership.