this is the mystery, God did not build sin into the world with the creation but the possibility of the fall was there subsequent to the creation with satans rebellion so it did not originate upon the world ?

we do know that sin is any want of conformity to Gods will

also we know that the sinner is responsible for their sin

we also know that God is 'not willing that any perish' yet He has the executive power to do so and excercises it

we know that he ordained the flood and destruction of millions

the bible dosnt provide a historical record of the events of ad70 but we know that Jesus wept for what was to come so it was certainly ordained and before His crucifiction.

Truly they did not know what they were doing

God the son agreed in obedience to the work of the cross so that was ordained and the details of Jesus life were prophesied to the detail as im sure you know so again ordained - not foreknown by a God that can see the future but ordained as part of the plan of salvation the purpose ?
So that God will be glorified

great and terrible things have been accomplished as part of the creators will why should this be any different ?

its hard teaching but Jesus is quite clear - a man and woman must approach the issue of marriage with great caution and trepidation seeking Gods guidance, unless of course like me you had no choice as it were thats not to say i was reluctant but the teaching is clear and I thank God for the blessings of marriage and how he converetd my wife it wouldnt have been good for me if he had not

im begining to suspect that my new moniker is not the success i had hoped it would be ! i may have to go back to charles m i feel on the forum there is a certain customer resistance to it !

Im not a young man im afraid although not old at 46, i was with my wife for 23 yrs before we got married naturally i gave the whole issue a lot of thought and made me review my life and the mistakes i had made. not least having become a believer and my wife at the time was not and when i became a genesis creationist she thought i was mad !
even some christians said we were already married others said otherwise, i came to see that my relationship was part of the old me doing what i wanted but also that i owed a duty to my partner but should a believer marry a non believer ? all these and other many other issues. i learned that this part of my life was am obvious rebellion and repentance was required God would not grant me the blessings i desired if i was in rebellion and also that we were fornicators so we had to get married but she became a believer anyway !!!

here is the audio link to the wedding which was a wonderful event - enjoy !

Scholium wrote:
This being so 'remnant' when Eve picked the fruit and she and Adam ate it, was it because the "restraint" had been unhitched at that precise moment?

A person sins because from birth, they are a born sinner.

nothing is 'whipped away' eve had not been a witness to the creation thereby rendering her more vulnerable to satans 'did god really say ' ploy in much the same way as believers are today, did god really say 6 days ?

it was part of Gods plan that he be glorified in the plan of salvation that she did this thing

good attempt to plaster over the cracks but are you trying to say it was not gods will that the old earth and the millions on it perished ?

or not gods will that the jews his own people were slaughtered in ad70 ?

of course it was his will - i see btw that you nor anyone else has tried to address this

'our god is a consuming fire' right ? or wrong ?

Im not embarrassed by God, everything he does is good because 'it seemed to be good in His eyes'

John UK wrote:
Wrong chapter bro, you need to have a look at Deuteronomy 22:13-21. This ties in with Matthew 19:9, which gives the only just cause for divorce; that is, a discovered fornication before the marriage was finalised. The Jews bethrothal was as binding as marriage itself, which is why a man could divorce before he got 'married'.

I believe that restraint was removed from the reprobate shooter and thats why he did it

Is God the author of evil Mike ? No of course not everything God does is good the man was the author but the sovreign God saw fit to allow him to do what he did so in that sense He did send the shooter.
Everything God does is good even if it does not appear so to us

How would you answer the question i raised about the siege and slaughter AD70 of Jerusalem - was that not Gods will ? Id say it was.

What about the flood ? hundreds of millions perished babes old and young husbands and wives the good and the bad
by Gods direct will - are we to say that it was bad because we dont like it - heavan forbid, it was good because God did it

I have never been to New York but I understand that like London it is a place of great wickedness with many wicked God hating people in it where every kind of God mocking hating practices are not only tolerated but encouraged

Didnt God send vespasian to Jerusalem to kill 1,000, 000 of the inhabitants and cast them out of ther land because of their wickedness in rejecting Jesus ? or kill 180 000 Assyrian soldiers in one night for threatening Jerusalem ?

If you are struggling to explain this to your unsaved friends how are you going to explain the final apocalypse when Jesus returns and with is angels is going to kill many hundreds of millions of wicked unbelievers ?
Its no use teaching a sovreign God if we cant explain incidents like this biblicaly

Robert wrote:
The 'little ones' in context are believers,

Alan H wrote:
The fact that you don't seem to see anything wrong with this really troubles me. This "man" was supposedly made into "a woman" by "man" and married "another man." You don't see anything perverse in that?

did the man know that the woman had been a man ? or is he a pervert or is he just massively stupid ?

is the woman really a woman or some halfway housewhat did they actually go for counseling for ?

if they were repentant about their situation and showed godly sorrow and wished that they had never done this thing then thats different from continueing to wallow in their sin, if the latter they should be expelled from the congregation but if they were repentant then it would be wrong to do so

i think thats the only saying i have used over the years - hopefully i wont get caught out again !

What wrote:
Saayyy What?????????
I think that saying came from one of your elders repeating what someone else said, repeating what someone else said.........and, on and on, attributing it to the wrong source.