John UK wrote:
Mornin Charles
I have some AMAZING news for you involving your Ebenezer. But first, some INCREDIBLE news from locally.

what about this baptist church ? would it not be suitable for you is it nearby ?

Just get the word right honoring God bro and everything else will happen

so in the case of Job, God allows satan to 'sift' him within certain limits, so in the case of the shooter God allowed satan to use a reprobate individual to do this like the Sabeans and the Chaldeans did to Job ?

John UK wrote:
Ahem. Mmmmmm. Ahhhhh. You mean you don't know who sent them, Charles.

thx 7xseven, obviously god did not tell the shooter to go to ny and shoot people so are you saying that god allowed satan to put evil in the heart of jobs persecutors ? i could go with that but is god still sovreign in this case ?

Castanet wrote:
To level ANY blame at God for man's life of transgression AGAINST God is completely inconsistent with the righteousness, mercy and justice inherent within God and recorded in His Scripture.

i said god can do what he likes for any reason he likes and it will be good and the creature has no grounds for complaint

i was considering Job this morning thanks to our sister jessica, a man righteous in all his ways look what happened to him.

who sent the chaldean and sabeans to slay his servants and animals and carry of his sons and daughters if not God ?

If God then sent these events to Job wht not the shooter to the folk of NY ?

and what about Jesus addressing the pharisees in Luke 11

Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: 50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation

charles m wrote:
Peter the self righteous blowhard who said he loved Jesus more than anyone but denied Him three times

Ok so you understand that the flood was Gods righteous judgement, so that was diffrent from today then ? I mean the people who perished they didnt think it was bad ? Wrong, they knew to late it was from God, it didnt make it any better for them,
God sent the shooter in judgement an unpleasant event but no diffrent from the flood

im still doing the 4 at a time thing yes mainly cos i bbq them for friends after a good catch so when the fish are feeding i like to make sure i get enough but i also keep a spinner and light rod in the boat and mean to use it this year to do as you do make more sport of the fish so that is the plan

no i never tried praying for fish

John UK wrote:
The difference is, Charles, that I can accurate predict more earthquakes in Italy, simply because of the location, irrespective of sin, people, or God's judgment.

Isaiah 29:6 "Thou shalt be visited of the Lord of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire

Jesus himself controlled the elements and indeed it was this feature which made the disciples finally say 'what manner of man is this'

The God mocking swedes dont have earthquakes but as the imprisoned pastor (ake green ) said he feared that God would still punish them - his fears were correct 4000 of them received 'the grave of an ass' whilst holidaying in the paedophile perverts paradise of phuket - praise God I say, it encourages the saints to see Gods providence at work.

All these things are nothing remember, think about the terrible judgements to come, these things are just warnings and shadows of a great and fearful time soon coming upon the world

Mike wrote:
charles m, there doesn't seem to be much evidence that evil can be talked out of evil(diplomacy)

Psalm 145:17 The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.

well done, everything God does is good, icluding His wrath anger and jealousy which is a divine and perfect attribute - im not discomfited by any of Gods attributes - are you ? i preach the whole gospel not just what i think will go down easy with my listeners. its no help to suggest that sin resides within God just because some doctrines are difficult that is unbiblical.

We all deserve to be killed by God for our trangresions do we not or maybe you dont agree ?

I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;
but that the wicked turn from his way and live:

mike,
clearly in the context of the passage God would rather they turn His killing is not gratuitous
the foregoing being true does it invalidate my passage of deut 32 ? Is that your intention ?

scripture cannot contradict itself and to use one passage to invalidate another is futile, they must both be true

Gods vengence against His enemies is a treasure held in store

America doenst have any friends or authority in the world so it is obliged to use force - when you have to use force your authority and influence has failed, when third world countries challenge much richer and stronger countries the result is always a partial humiliation for the stronger country even if they 'win' and sometimes they lose which is even worse.

Ha ha ! Darwin the truth ! youll find out soon enough buddy you wata pin your eternity on the religeon of evolution - thats your funeral, you will have an eternity to wonder at your credulity, be astonished that you could believe the evolution fairy tale.

we get suicides here of course, many years ago a neighbours son cut his stomach open and people are always topping themselves in cars etc they will always find a way

please dont think the brethren are squabbling these are very important issues and i am looking forward to some useful replies to the difficult questions i have raised.

eg fundamentalist humanism
become a believer or you will go to hell

liberal humanism
become a believer and you will be a happier person

both are partial truths,

The primary purpose in the plan of salvation is the glorification of God

an example of bewitching - the pseudo deification of 'rock star ' stadium filling preachers like Billy Graham (hell bound heretic and false teacher)

''But he takes no pleasure in it. Why does He not take pleasure in his own will, if he has ordained them to be destroyed?''

why do you think he does not take pleaure in it ?

deut 32

''Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste. ''

mike
Did He weep at something He ordained? Or because "ye would not"?

the reprobation of the unvbelieving jews was ordained by God the father because 'they would not' the believing remnant escaped the events of ad70

mike
''If terrible things are no more than the will of the Creator, Satan is but a figurehead, and his efforts do nothing whatsoever.''

satan is a figurehead he is only allowed to do what the sovreign God permits its a measure of satans madness that he thinks otherwise

''When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD, it was not because it was ordained to be destroyed. That would make the ordination the cause. Unbelief was the cause. That's why Jesus wept.''

John UK wrote:
the Lord will reveal truth in due time, and it is such a delight to taste such enabling of the Lord, and humbling too.
Also I know it is true that I have thought I had got something, only to have to reverse and think again. But other things are clear and definite, praise God.
p.s. I've not heard Joel Beeke yet, but apparently he has sermons here, so if want a taster of his ministry before considering Aber, you could have a listen. I expect there will be many from Bangor church going.

what i observe is that if the individual is willing to be taught and put aside wordly inclinations then truth is revealed, but if not, if they are not willing to take scripture and face value then the deeper things such as election and sovreignty will not be revealed i have noticed that even amongst apparently earnest students this is not revealed

Mike wrote:
"North Korea broke the rules, once again, by testing a rocket that could be used for long-range missiles," Obama said in Prague.