Mike wrote:
Not directed at Mark M.
I don't see President Bush as a liberal nor a socialist. I'd say a neoconservative. Sort of.
You asked the question "So are Dubya/Obama real Socialists or real Liberals?" I wanted to find out if you thought there were much of a difference, since you said they were mutually exclusive.

Yes, Bush is a sort of kinda neo-con, but he is more neo-Confused than neo-Conservative. In no way is he Conservative.

puritanbooks wrote:
Guilty is guilty, you can slice the pie in many pieces as you wish. But they were all destroyed (killed) in sodom..
All the unregenerated are guilty by association.. Maybe tomorrow or later today God will call them to Christ to be regenerated.. Untill then, guilty worhty of the second death..

Mike wrote:
What do you mean by "real"? If by Liberalism you mean today's version, then we can freely say a cowflop by any other name would still stink.

puritanbooks wrote:
It's no different then a robber in a bank and one outside waiting in a getaway car. Both are guilty by association... All in Sodom were guilty by association, men, women, and children..

Max wrote:
A country that has voted a President in purely because of the colour of his skin.
Now that is racism!

Dr. Richard Bacon wrote:
But the question falls more into the category of what the magistrate should do. Should he fail or refuse to follow God's justice?

Presumably, the law of the land was deficient in affording this woman time to come to repentance in accordance with the determinate, eternal, electing love and justice of God?

Neil wrote:
We live in a constitutional republic (rule by representatives), not a democracy (direct rule by the people),

I could not hold to a definition of democracy that precluded representation and required direct rule by the people.

Of course, as you know, many of us live in representative democracies that are not republics.

Mark M. wrote:
We have let Socialism in to this country to a degree that I hoped not to see, and a lot of came in under Dubya's administration. Just imagine what a real liberal is going to do to us in the coming four years.

Christ is a faithful shepherd of His people. How faithful are modern denominations or independent churches?

"Just 16 percent of Protestants surveyed said they are exclusively loyal to one denomination"

Neil wrote:
Now the "soulless corporation" is an interesting topic for debate. Should there be such a thing as limited liability for owners or shareholders?

Pikestaff wrote:
So THIS is Socialism

John Yurich wrote:
You are just confusing everybody by using the same name that I am using. So stop using the name John Yurich. I have been using the name John Yurich for the past 2 or so years and then you came along recently and started using the name John Yurich. You have no right to use the name John Yurich.

I was responding to the positive and unsupported inference by Jim Lincoln that it would be good for the Christians to have specifically Israeli-style "law and order". I think that inference is what needs support.

I don't have time to do the research now but back in the early 90's I well remember the self-same pro-Israeli style western Christians (ICEJ, CFI, PFI etc) lamenting the Intifada and the decimation of the Palestinian Christian population. An example I remember given at the time was the size of the Christian population of Bethlehem. It seems the pro-Israeli Christians have short memories of the time of their own preferred rule now that times have changed .....

Jim Lincoln wrote:
An interesting article, I would suggest the folks here read the whole thing, besides [URL=http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=14002]]]The Beleaguered Christians of The Palestinian-Controlled Areas[/URL].
We can only hope that Israel will regain control of the whole of Gaza to bring law and order to a land that shows the [URL=http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Barton/11.htm]]]Inadequacy of Islam[/URL].

Mike wrote:
So, John Yurich, when did you move to the UK?

Guinness wrote:
AAC - do please tell us how you would like to see a legal system operating without the dreaded "due process" criticised on your linked website? You would seem to desire even more arbitrariness in the legal system not less.