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7/11/08 11:51 PM

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I can't find any good answer to this question.
If God elected some to heaven and some to hell based on nothing those people did, then God would be partial and this would contradict the Bible
It is true that the love of God doesn't send people to hell. Their sin does.
Condemnation of sinners is based on their sin, not necessarily on the rejection of Christ, as there are billions of people that have died without hearing about His name.
How can people decide anything totally apart from God? Tulips are for bees, but we like to look at them too.

7/11/08 1:09 AM

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To MurrayA, Thank you for the correction. I meant to say that Jerome added in Adam to Rom 5:12, not that in Adam was not in other verses. I merely wanted to state that in order for a person to continue to remain in Christ, that person must not be sinning. Sorry to show my ignorance, but I am trying to learn.

Other people seem to mention that Grace is the free gift of God. Is there a verse that clearly states this? Rom 4:14 & 5:2 state that one needs faith to have access into the grace in which we stand, and Titus 2:11-12 says that God's grace enables us to live godly lives now, in this age. In Eph 2:8 both grace and faith are feminine, and "that" is neuter, so "that" - the gift of God should not refer to either grace or faith in that verse.
I am not trying to be offensive, but I am trying to get over a pastor who preached that he sinned every day and "so do you" (to the congregation), and I consider that to be a blasphemous statement against God's word and his character. If we are now "in Christ" we have been set free and are no longer a slave to sin (John 8:34-36, Rom 6:18). I don't wish to make a personal attack on anyone, so sorry if I offened anybody. I am just trying to follow Him and understand His word. I believe God still takes sin very seriously.

7/9/08 10:54 PM

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People go to hell because they sin against God, not because of anything that happened to them "in Adam". People read more into Rom 5 than Paul meant to say. Jerome's Latin Vulgate is the book that added "in Adam" to scripture. It is not in the Greek. At the Great White throne judgment, the little books of peoples' sin deeds are opened and people are judged by them. Nobody is judged by anthing that Adam did. For a person to remain "in Christ" is the same as remaining begotten of God, and a person cannot remain begotten of God while he is in unrepentant sin. See John 15:6. A literal translation of 1 John 3:9 is Everyone having been born out of God and still so remains(or everyone who stands begotten of God-perfect participle does not keep doing sin. For a person to stand begotten of God and to practice sinning is a moral and spiritual incompatibility. The two conditions cannot coexist. 1 John 2:29 states that whoever practices righteousness stands begotten of Him. The only scripture that mentions eternal salvation is Heb 5:9. He is the author of eternal salvation to those who are obeying (present participle) Him. Christ gave Himself to make salvation available to all who would believe, repent and follow Him. God cannot declare a person to be righteous while sinning.

7/9/08 12:45 AM

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Why not listen to what Christ Himself said on the subject in Luke 8:13? An apostate is one who leaves the faith, not one who never really believed in the first place, not just a person who believed in his head but not in his heart. The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament. The teaching of unconditional eternal security, known as OSAS is none other than a repeat of the serpent's lie of Gen 3:4. - See verses such as Ex 32:33, Lev 11:44,(The N.T.also commands us to be holy now, not in the future-the Greek hagiaso exists in the future tense but not in the Bible)Num 32:33,Josh 24:20, 1 Chron 28:9, 2 Chron 15:2,Ezra 8:22,Neh 1:5,Psalm 34:15-16,125:4-5,Prov 6:32, 15:9, 19:16,Ecc 12:13,Is 1:28, Jer 17:5,13,Ezek 3:20,18:4,20,24,26, 33:13,18,Nahum 1:3,Hab 1:13,Mal 3:6-18,Matt 10:22,33,13:41-42,18:35,24:13,Mark 9:34,Luke 6:43-6, 8:13, 9:23,11:28,12:45-6,21:19,John 3:16 (note present participles and subjunctive moods),3:18(note the KJV mistranslates disobey as disbelieve), 3:36,5:28-29,6:66,8:12,8:31-36,51, 9:31,10:27,14:15,21,23,15:6,14,Acts 5:32,10:34-5,11:23,14:21-22,24:15-16, 1 Cor 15:2(Note most preachers miss this verse when they present the gospel.)The wages of unrepentant sin is still death. There are hundreds of additional verses but no more room here.