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 10/15/07 3:12 AM |
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It probably would have been less confusing if Murray had asked if possession or manifestation of the charismata is necessary to showing salvation or the presence of the Holy Spirit in a congregation or individual. The word "charismata" is in the Bible.....the Greek one, anyway, and it's where we get the term "charismatic." The term charismata is referring to these gifts we have been discussing. If we were speaking Greek, we'd be using the term often. I am not aware of any scripture showing these as a sign of salvation or perfect standing before God. Besides, they are grace gifts(charis means grace in Greek) so these are by grace and not works or how self-righteous we can be. If it was by works, they wouldn't be charismata or grace gifts. However, back to salvation and gifts as sign of salvation, "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." There's your answer, Murray. To add to what the Apostle said is to attach without apostolic (and therefore divine) authorization, other things evidencing salvation. We'd then be in the realm of another gospel and such is anathema...accursed by the Apostles themselves. Wrong understandings have serious consequences. Good night every one. |
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| 10/14/07 3:34 PM |
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Abigail wrote:
They want their old dead formal religion with no emotion towards God and their programs that are the same year in and year out. Opening prayer, two songs, congregational reading, Lord's Prayer (by rote--everyone saying the same words), offertory, dead sermon, invitation.... Abigail, I don't share the same experience. I've been to lively churches which have a ritual. What's offensive about congregational reading(of scriptures I assume), if the Apostle says faith comes by hearing God's word? And the Lord's prayer? I don't believe Christ instituted a deception if he says here is how you pray. Is this a sure-tell sign a church is dead? Nothing wrong with ritual if it's not vain. Jesus prayed the same prayer three times using the same words. It all depends on who we're praying to and for what purpose. Worship of God is not vain. I believe in the last days that which appears alive is what will actually be dead, full of works and showdom and catering to popularity, but void of truth and conviction. It's happening on a grand scale in pentecostal groups as they see unscriptural sects like Catholics and Mormons speaking in tongues. All goes back to the Initial Evidence doctrine, basing unity on experience not on scriptural truth. Careful. |
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| 10/14/07 1:56 AM |
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Good evening Alan. Thanks for the input. Also this: "We have a more sure word of prophecy." I believe this confession from the Apostle Peter is testifying to the supremacy of Scripture since in the next verses he testifies to the scriptures. Nothing is more sure and reliable than the Holy Scriptures. Time for bed. Good night everyone  |
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| 10/14/07 1:08 AM |
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Ruggio, also in regard to your question about Parham and speaking in tongues, please see this. It's in relation to my statement about speaking in tongues and our justification before God. Please understand not all pentecostal churches believe this way, but many do and are going more mainstream and thus deserve more examination:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/upci/upci28.htmlI highlight this from the article: "Regardless of ones position regarding tongues, Baptism in the Spirit, and spiritual gifts, if he is truly trusting Christ's atoning death alone for his salvation, he should be accepted as a Brother or Sister in the Lord. These peripheral issues are secondary in importance. They should never be a cause for separation among the brethren. With this said, we can continue our expose. In 1914 a group of these Pentecostal believers began teaching the doctrine that a person could NOT be saved without first speaking in tongues." So their view is one hasn't yet been saved till they show the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. Abigail, did you read the article? Do you believe such a view is an aberration from scriptural justification? |
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10/15/07 9:19 PM
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