Remember, He was God the Son.

You are so steeped in your dispensationalism that it has blinded your understanding of the scripture. Calvinist have been accused of the same thing. So you are no different than they are. I've been in good independent fundamental baptist churches for over 20 years and have never heard the kind of remarks about the word of God like I have heard from you. Either your are right and they were wrong or they were right and you were wrong. It is a waste of time presenting scripture to you because you reject what is presented. You want a scripture verse to prove everything, but when it is shown, you deny what it says.

If you want to talk logic, Jesus was in his glorified state during the Old Testament times. He gave up the glory that he had to come down as a man to take upon himself the sin debt of the world and to die for sinners.

As long as he was present on earth, there may not have been a need for the Holy Spirit to dwell with believers. Christ dwelt with them. There was no need of the Holy Spirit to teach them, for they had Christ to teach them. There was no need for the Holy Spirit to guide them in all truth, Christ was their guide. There was no need for the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin, Christ did it through the power and authority given him by the Father.

Anyway, God saves who he wills. If he saved them because they were baptized, then you are adding works to salvation.

Why are you so adamant about baptizing infants if it is not?

(Matt. 1:21) "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

Who shall he save?
Who are his people?
What shall he save them from?

Don't tel me that every Jew rejected him.

John recounts the life and monistry of the Lord Jesus while he was still on earth. His disciples received his word and his testimony as well as the apstles, perhaps with the exception of Jusad.

JD wrote:
That sounds fine, DB, but that is not a proposition that is advanced by Scripture. That comes strictly from human reasoning and is a false premise.

For the man who wants a bible verse for everything.

(John 8:34) "Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."

(1 Cor. 7:21-24) "Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 22. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24. Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God."

Even as Christians, we are not our own for we have been bought with a price, the precious blood of Jesus Christ.

JD wrote:
Your statement concerning John the Baptist is right, but he was not born again and he is not a son of God, ever! He will be resurrected. More later!

JD wrote:
Now, that is what he said! John was not in the kingdom because when he died it was still "at hand"! One must be born again to enter into it and the agency for that birth did not come until Christ died on the cross and was buried, and rose from the dead. Fifty days later, he was given and the kingdom had arrived!

DJC49 wrote:
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I'm starting to think that Dizzy-spin-sationalists just don't have a very high regard for our Jewish brethren. Might have John Darby and the gang suffered from a wee bit of anti-Semitism?

Nah. Couldn't be.

JD wrote:
Trying to teach a blind man how to see is an impossible task.
I did not say anything about John the Baptist. Jesus Christ said it. I only quoted him.
Jesus Christ had been preaching the kingdom of God is "at hand". That meant it was not here yet but when it came, men must be born again to enter into it, yea to even see (as in perceive) it.

DJC49 wrote:
So what of all the saved Jews? Whatever happened to their chosen and special status with the Lord?

Mike wrote:
I was baptised as an infant and as an adult. Guess I'm covered.