B. McCausland wrote: US Truth crosses the boundries of nationalities. Against truth we measure all situations, America included. Again, true to your past record, smearing character is what one resorts to when you have not a valid argument to bring to the table. Have a good day
If I may take the time to set the record straight
1. I have not and do not resort to character smears here on SermonAudio or anywhere else. Anyone who has posted here for some time will testify to that (not asking that be done)
2. I have not been involved in a discussion of any type with you since 1/27 when you impugned my motive for posting and assigned to me a position that I had not stated, So, to use your words, there was no argument that was fruitlessly trying to be validated.
3. I posted an honest evaluation of your responses to Mike and Joel along with a forthright admonition, and per your opening line truth is our measuring stick.
4. Thank you for the kind wishes for a good day and may you also have a wonderful evening.
Your genuine lack of understanding of the American political system and how our government works coupled with your obvious disdain for it do much to diminish both the quality and credibility of any comment you make on it sister BMac. The election of outspoken socialist Alexandria Ocasio Cortez to Congress over a 10 term incumbent is one of many examples which demonstrate the fallacy of your thinking. You might do well to refrain from trying to come across as a definitive source on subjects where your improper understanding tend to inappropriate conjectures and misguided pontifications
the Bible reminds us in Galatians that as we have opportunity to do good, we should do so to all men, especially those of the household of faith (Galatians 6:10). James 2 reminds us it is futile to just say things when we have the ability to actual help.Â Â That help comes in the form of being active, at least by voting, in the American political system.Â Â That requires being an informed electorate.
Ultimately, yes, our dependence is on the providence of God as He is the one who sets up and/or puts down rulers (Daniel 2:21â€™ Psalm 75:7) and the rulers heart is in Godâ€™s hand (Proverbs 21:1) but we still have our responsibilities to put feet to our prayers in these matters by using the means that God in His providence has given us in our governmental system.
There is a Biblical principle that God is a God of means and if possible we need to put feet, so to speak ,to our prayers.Â Â For instance we look to our Lord for our daily bread, but we work to provide that need,Â Â There is a humble acknowledgment that any ability we have to obtain wealth comes from God (I Chronicles 29:12). Hezekiah trusted God to deliver him from SennacheribÂ Â (II Chronicles 32:8) yet they stopped the waters of fountains outside the city, built up the wall that was broken, raised up towers, repaired Milo, and made darts and shields in abundance (II Chronicles 32:1-7). David proclaimed that God would deliver Goliath into his hand (I Samuel 17:37; 46) bur he made sure he had 5 smooth stones and a sling.
We are commanded to pray for kings and all that are in authority to the end that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. (I Timothy 2:1-3). In the system of government we enjoy here in the USA we do that through multiple ways including votes, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, donations and even our court system when those things are abused by those in power.
B. McCausland wrote: Yes, unprofitable, true to your true nature you seek to find a gap to butt in to contend ... The concept of boasting above is about to celebrate, or commend. However, conveniently you have omitted the many verses in scriptures were boasting or its related term, to 'glory', which comes from the same root word, is rendered in the negative as reverting *merit* toward oneself. Seeing you are interested in the topic a word search study would be helpful. "But he that glories, let him glory in the Lord"
BMcCausland, I believe that we as Christians should humbly thank God for every blessing and mercy He sends our way as we are not deserving of the least of His favor.
1Cor. 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
John UK wrote: Quiet Brother, my question would be, "What makes you think that Christians should influence and impact the political system?" What have Christians to do with politics? What I'm looking for is NT examples of such.
Good morning John,
They don't exist because there was no political system in existence at the time of the New Testament that gave the people any power in the political process. Question is moot point. It would be like asking where in the New Testament do we find people carrying the entire Scriptures in their language in something small enough to take with them. We don't say believers today should not do that because there is no New Testament precedent. Such a thing didn't exist at the time
We have to operate under Biblical principles like as you have opportunity do good to all men especially those of the household of faith. That can be done in a representative government that is around today but did not exist at the time of the writing of the New Testament.
B. McCausland wrote: â€¦ and boasting is not recommended as a biblical trait. The idea of being proud of something, comes not from the bible but rests on atheistic humanismâ€¦
2Co 7:14Â Â For if I have boasted any thing to him of you, I am not ashamed; but as we spake all things to you in truth, even so our boasting, which I made before Titus, is found a truth.
2Co 8:24Â Â Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf
2Co 9:2-4Â For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:Â Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting
Thanks for your thoughts James. We also know that everything the Lord spoke to the multitudes was not all parables. (Ie the Sermon on the Mount which included parables but was not all a parable). I believe Paul made a spiritual application of a law that did apply to Oxen. I would term that Biblical principles. To answer your question, no I donâ€™t believe the day of the Lord refers to a 24 hour period. It is like the phrases your day is coming or a day of reckoning. However, I have yet to find an example in Scripture where a thousand didnâ€™t mean a thousand. Appreciate your time and kind responses
Joel I have never met a dispansationalist that believes that all of Revelation is literal. It would be like me saying all Covenant theologians think the whole book is allegorical when they donâ€™t
James both the passage in I Peter and Psalm 90 speak of the fact that a lengthy period of time (1000 years) to us, is minute to our God.Â Â Â The only way to properly get that sense is to let the thousand years represent a thousand years.
James Thomas wrote: Allowing other Scripture to interrupt other portions of Scripture for us is far from diminishing anything God has said. Where is the biblical warrant that demands the thousand years to be interpreted literally a thousand years Bro?
Where's the one says it shouldn't?
I believe that unless context dictates otherwise, God says what He means and means what He says. Thus when the Scripture opens up by saying in the beginning God created the heaven and earth, I believe that means He literally created it. Don't have to look for a hidden meaning. I sorry brother but I don't see another Scripture showing any reason to take the word thousand to mean anything other than thousand.
I agree brother James. Which is why we donâ€™t diminish the greatness and enormity of God that those passages are pointing out by saying the thousand years is something other than a literal thousand years
John, to add some thought to what brother Mike is saying. We find our Lord giving in Luke 11 the disciples prayer. (commonly called the Lord's Prayer). If we look at the parallel gospel in Matthew 5-7 we realize that He taught that as part of the sermon on the Mount. Matthew 5 begins with "seeing the multitudes" and the sermon ends with the following verses in chapter 7
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes
Looks like there were people there and the disciples.
When Scripture says a thousand years is as a day to the Lord, it is not speaking in hyperbole but context shows it is stating that God (Who inhabits eternity) is not effected or bound by time as we His. creation are.
It has been both stated and implied that the thousand years in Revelation 20 is not literal. Sister BMac has aptly shown that hyperbole is part of Scripture
Question. What precedent found anywhere in Scripture shows a thousand years when mentioned is not to be taken literally? Or maybe another use of the term thousand in the Bible where it doesnâ€™t literally mean a thousand? Thanks for your insights.