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Thanks David G, hopefully Stevenr will also weigh in. Would you also define repentance and from where it originates? Are you onboard with Stevenr that salvation is simply repentance from trusting something other than Christ for your salvation?
I may not be able to respond for several hours and I am sure others will add their thoughts..
To Stevenr and David G, before I post a lengthy post showing that turning from sin was thought an essential part of salvation in the New Testament. lets define terms for me please so we don't end up disagreeing on things upon which we really agree.
Please define for me what you mean by
"repent from your sins FOR salvation"
Stevenr has said what he believes repentance from dead works is and apparently that is not the same as the above phrase. How do you define repentance and from where does it originate.
The Galileans thought, note the words of our Savior who twice talked about being greater sinners, they did not need to repent of their sins but God said except he likewise repent you shall perish. What were John the Baptist instructions about repentance, do works meet for repentance, same as Paulâ€™s. They (Acts 26 again)turned from (Greek Word for turn about) darknessâ€™ to light What did the Lord say about darkness, that men preferred it , why, because their deeds (this would be sinful deeds) were evil
The fact that the words â€śrepent of your sins â€ś isnt exact wording of Scripture doesnâ€™t make it not a Scriptural concept
David G, on your point 4 it looks like according to several verses but we will just have you consider the instructions to and practice of Paul in Acts 26:13-20. (Especially note verse 20). It appears that the Lord Jesus and Paul were on the opposite side of Steven Anderson and apparently you as you are calling what God said to do, heresy
This is why again that elections matter. We may say there is no difference between parties but this was first introduced in 2013. It never made out of committee until the party of Jim from Lincoln and Pulitzer Pride winner George Will got in power in the House.
Gay Allen wrote: mr anderson is the controlled opposition, discernment is a gift
there is no need for repentance in salvation (from the internet)
"Pastor Steven Anderson of â€śFaithful Word Baptist Churchâ€ť says that â€śrepentanceâ€ť is â€śworksâ€ť and therefore â€śYou donâ€™t have to repent of your sins to be saved.â€ť And â€śRepent of your sins is heresy.â€ť
Steve Anderson's own words
"Salvation is by faith, not works. Itâ€™s all through Jesus, and itâ€™s a free gift. Often someone will get saved and continue to drink alcohol or live in fornication. Those are wicked sins that do need to be repented of in the Christian life, but whether someone ever repents of those sins or not, they are still saved if they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ."
James remind us the devils believe and tremble
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
he is not IFB, he is Steve Anderson masquarading as an IFB
You would do well to stop listening to the liberal spin on the news Charles. We already have s poster here deceived by them
Do the research on Joe Biden misusing his position and strong arm tactic to stop a criminal investigation into his sonâ€™s laundering money scheme in the Ukraine. Itâ€™s an egregious abuse of his position and power backed by the corrupt Obama administration.
John, let me sit out this dance with you. You have an excellent memory so I need not bring up specific examples. You have praised a RCC mystic and put down IFB ministers. I think that strange, I trust you can understand that.
John UK wrote: Okay, there are two questions: 1. I came across Madam Guyon through reading a Charles Spurgeon sermon, in which he commended Madame Guyon as the best example he had ever come across, of one who had applied biblical principles in order to maintain an even keel in the midst of the most trying and difficult circumstances. My interest was piqued, and I wanted to see this for myself, so I downloaded a free copy of her autobiography and read it. And Mr Spurgeon was quite right. And I stood alongside his verdict. 2. No, not at all. Why should I condemn anybody?
1. John I believe we both know that only commending her for maintaining an even keel in the midst of the most trying and difficult circumstances wouldn't warrant posting quotes from her that were not related to that but will let your answer suffice.
2. I also believe we both know that my use of the word condemn was not in relationship to the eternal state of one's soul. I am not trying to give you a hard time please show me the same courtesy.
John, I am not accusing you of anything, I just asked a question. I couldnâ€™t quote you brother because when the subject was brought up in the other thread you simply posted lengthy quotes from the lady, I am restricted like all others with 1300 characters. Are you saying that you havenâ€™t commended Madam Guyon or condemned IFBâ€™s?
The Bible tells us that even the plowing ( a good thing) is sin. Men can live very exemplary lives like the sons of Jonadab. (Jeremiah 35). Many unregenerate are honorable men. The evil in their heart is refusing to obey Godâ€™s directives for their lives as contained in His Word. Because they think that they will not likewise perish for their lack of repentance they have said that they are wiser than God. (We all know who else had that thinking in Ezekiel 28). Remember whatsoever is not of faith, regardless of how good it may outwardly be, is sin
It is not the responsibility of the government to make sure people have a certain standard of living and all their needs met. This womb to the tomb, it takes a village thinking is supposedly practiced in socialist countries like Cuba and Venezuela but only kooks like Michael Moore would say they have it better there than here
Jim should take time out to do the research on WIC, EBT, and EIC before pointing a finger of blame
I bring this up because I took the time to read the entire thread that was referenced by dear sister Ladybug. Towards the end of it Observer brought up the issue of RC mystic Madame Guyon. There were several who shared excellent reasons not to use her teachings. Even though she denounced works salvation she never gave up practicing it. She used Eastern religion meditation practices for prayer, taught sinless perfectionism, said we have a one essence with God, taught pantheism and was a faithful to the Roman Catholic Church until her death. Her meekness under persecution is no more commendable than a Muslim â€śpraying â€ś 5x daily and fasting for an entire month
I am not going to say the IFB movement is without faults. (It would have ended when I joined if it were). Some IFB preachers are as guilty as the Catholics and the Cults for giving people a false security that they are on their way to heaven despite having no evidences of the Divine impartation of a new nature from being born from above. They are also, sadly, those preachers who consider their church their little fiefdom. Many of the IFB preachers caught up in deplorable scandals were some of the hardest preachers on sin from the pulpit. But on any given Sunday if you listened in on the vast majority of messages coming from IFB churches you would find sound doctrine. (thereâ€™s a reason they have the title Fundamentalist). Yet John you have pretty much condemned them as a group from which we should separate due to doctrinal issues and manipulative preachers