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8/11/09 12:04 AM |
DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) | | Edmonton, AB | | | |
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Wayne, there are two points in your post that I would like to comment on:1) You state that a person gains salvation through faith alone. Yet, in James 1:22-25, James 2:14-19, Matt 25:31-46, Luke 10:25-28, Rom 2:13, Rom 2:5-11 and John 5:28-29 it is made very clear that faith alone will not save us. We need to do good works as well. 2) The forgiveness of sins is a more complicated one. Yes, sins are forgiven through the name of Jesus. But, as Acts 3:19 states, you must first repent. Faith in Jesus alone is insufficient to receive forgiveness. So, that just leaves us with the original question: Do priests have the authority to dispense Jesus’ forgiveness? My position is yes, they do. That is backed up by both John 20:21-23 and Matt 16:18-19. You simply cannot ignore the fact that Jesus explicitly stated that the sins they forgive are forgiven and the sins they do not forgive are not forgiven. I don’t think that Jesus could have been more specific. That is what He said and that is what He meant. |
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8/10/09 9:58 PM |
DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) | | Edmonton, AB | | | |
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SmallTownGuy,To make sure we weren’t looking at a translation issue, I did a quick Google search and found this site: http://bible.cc/john/20-23.htm. There are over a dozen translations but they are all either the same or very close. So, we seem to have an issue with interpretation only, not translation. To me, the most obvious interpretation of the passage “"Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." “ is basically “I hereby give you the authority to forgive sins”. If you want to be more precise, it means that Jesus gave the apostles the authority to mete out the forgiveness that Jesus bought via the cross to those who repent and seek it. To give any other interpretation requires a more complicated and obtuse explanation – such as the one you gave. But, the Word of God is for everyone, not just those who possess a superior intellect with the capacity to extract these more complex interpretations. Why would God deny the less intellectually adept and children access to His Word? In other words, it says what it says. |
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8/10/09 5:15 PM |
DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) | | Edmonton, AB | | | |
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Wayne,How can you accurately quote Jesus ("Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.") and then deny the quote? Jesus says that anyone whose sins are forgive b y them (YOU forgive) are forgiven and those sins they do not forgive (YOU retain) are not forgiven. In the Catholic Church, we believe that while Jesus died for our sins, we are not automatically forgiven. Jesus made the forgiveness available to us but we have to 1) acknowledge our sin, 2) repent of it and 3) seek forgiveness. If I kill someone and I think “Wow, that was fun!! I think I will do it again!!!”, I will not receive forgiveness. OTOH, if I repent and seek God’s forgiveness for killing someone, that forgiveness will be granted. BTW: In an earlier post, you mentioned that the Catholic clergy has benefitted greatly from people’s pilgrimages. Can you elaborate on that a bit? |
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