"DB wrote:
Tell me Yamil, what is "justification"?

Yamil: "Justification is the judicial act by which God declares one to be righteous."

How would you then reconcile Rom. 5:1 with all the aforementioned verses, especially Rom 3:24, "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"
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Is justification based on anything we do, or is it based on what God did as was accomplished in Christ Jesus?

Romans 5:1 needs to be interpreted in light of other scripture, not isolated in 3 words.

"Being justified by faith" simply means in light of the aforementioned verses is that by faith you believe on the justification already accomplished, that your sin debt has been paid and that you have received a full pardon by the grace of God. Faith is taking God at His word and resting on the promise that He will perform what He said He will do.

"DB wrote:
Tell me Yamil, what is "justification"?Justification is the judicial act by which God declares one to be righteous."

We are justified through the redemption that is in him (Rom. 3.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

We are justified by his blood (Rom. 5.9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

We are justified by his obedience (Rom. 5.19). For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

We are justified by him from all things (Acts 13.39). And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

He is our righteousness (1 Cor. 1.30).
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

We are made the righteousness of God in him (2 Cor. 5.21). For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

We are justified in his name (1 Cor. 6.11). "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Lies!

"2. It's quite hypocritical to accuse me of not dealing with the context when you yourself have not taken consideration of the context let alone have any interest on what the verse actually states."

Lies!

Last time I read the gospels, Jesus used plenty of analogies in making things clear to his disciples.

Whenever I am training individuals on computers or offering tech support, I have to illustrate things in terms that they can understand.

Tell me Yamil, what is "justification"?
Who is the justifier?
How is it applied to the sinner?

Once that foundation is laid, then we can move on to its relationship to faith. And as R.K. states, a correct premise of what "faith" is needs to be established.

As of now, neither has been clearly established and agreed upon.

I am willing to discuss theological doctrines with you, but as I warned JD, I will not have you speak to me like a 3 year old.

If God wanted us to celebrate the birth of Christ, He would have given us the date and time of the year to celebrate it and not follow the world's tradition.

When Christ told his disciples to remember his death, we were given the exact time of year this event took place and that was the day before the feast of the Passover. Passover officially begins the 15th day of the month Nisan (Lev. 23:5) This can be converted to the Gregorian calendar. So we know when his death took place.

The topic of this thread is justification. My explanation of a judge pardoning a convict is what God does for a convicted sinner in justification. It is a judicial act where a sinner is pardoned and declared righteous. Until you get a grip of this, faith is a nonissue. Stick with justification, then when agreed, let's talk about its relationship to faith.

Faith is defined as "...the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Heb 11:1)

Faith is believing in those things hoped for. Faith being a work to me is an oxymoron. They are diametrically oppoded to one another. Faith is fully trusting and resting in the promise of a person, in this case, the promise and redemptive work of God and the Lrd Jesus Christ.

Works are acts of the flesh to acheive a desired result, ie. salvation.

Both are acts of the will.

Is justification by faith? You are looking for a yes or no answer based on 3 words isolated from its context. Until you understand the doctrine of justification and what it means and how it is applied within the realm of salvation, you will understand that these cannot be answered in a simnple yes or no.

The fact that God chooses to save anybody is a matter of God's grace. He says in his word that he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and hardens whoever he chooses to harden.

In the judicial system, a convict is pardoned soley at the mercy of the judge. The one pardoned does not have to work for it, he doesn't have to pay for it. It was a gift given to him. He is declared free and is free to walk in society, no longer as one under bondage, but is free to live a new life.

God chooses sinners to save, we don't go looking for God. We come to Him because He has drawn us by His power.

By faith we believe on that justification through the shed blood of our redeemer, Jesus Christ.

Free thought and reason?

That doesn't seem to work with people like Yamil. He doesn't like people commenting or using reason on verses to explin what they mean.

After all, wouldn't free thought and reason be considered humanistic anyhow?

That IS the point I have been trying to make all along. Faith has to have an object and that is in the gospel. God is the justifier, not ourselves. He justifies us when we put our faith and trust in him and him alone for our salvation. I thought I made that point clear. By faith we receive the gift of salvation which includes the atonement and forgiveness of sin, justification and the sealing of the Holy Spirit.

The missing ingredient I don't see in your group is God's grace, you have to add a human equation to the mix. For by grace ye are saved through faith. It was God's grace alone that nailed Jesus on the cross to pay the redemptive price that we didn't deserve. We justly and truly deserved the full wrath of God, not His love, mercy and grace instead. When you stop and think about that, you have no choice but to humble yourself before Him and worship Him and praise Him, giving Him all glory and honor that is due Him. He could have snuffed anyone of us out had He so chosen, but rather He chose to die for us.

I will make this my last post to you.

Faith has to have an object and it is either in our works of righteousness or in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

I chose to have faith in the latter. Justification is a judicial act whereby a sinner is declared not guilty by a judge because satisfactory payment has been paid, either by the sinner or by someone else. In our case, Jesus paid the debt we owed and we received a full pardon because of what Christ accomplished on the cross. By faith we received that gift of salvation. We receive that justification by faith. It is God who justifies us. If it is conditioned on our coming to him by faith, so be it. No man can come to Christ except the Father draws him by His power. (John 6:44)

You can't honestly clain the God justifies as well as our faith justifies. There is only one who can justify and that is God. If he conditions it upon faith, it is still God who justifies.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

enmity - Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition: - enmity, hatred.

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

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Yamil you seem to forget.
Eph 2:8 For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Rom 8:33 "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth."

We receive that justification when we repent and believe the gospel by faith.

I have always though that it was God that justifieth, not our faith.

Rom 8:33 "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth."

If it our faith that justifies us, then we have justified ourselves.

You are in the state of Nevada. You can say, "being Nevadan by faith, I can go to the voting precinct and cast my vote." Did you become a Nevadian by faith or being a Nevadan, you can go to the voting precinct by faith?

You became justified when God declared you righteous.

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Longing for revival,

Either the bible is infallible or it is a book of lies. Your turning it into a book of lies.

When you are lost in sin, living and loving darkness rather than light, it is contrary to nature to seek out a holy and righteous God to expose your sins. When he calls you by his grace and convicts you of your sin, then you will seek Him and shall find him. Believers already have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them to guide them in seeking after God's own heart because their sins are forgiven and because they are in covenant relationship to him. Man by nature hates and despises God, so how can you honestly tell me that you sought him without being called without making the Word of God a lie.

In your soul-winning program you are told to tell the sinner that "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God". According to JD, that may not be true, they may not be the ones Rom. 3:23 is addressing. You can't use "There is none righteous, no not one" Rom. 3:10 because it may not refer to only to a specific group of sinners.

At the same token, we did not inherit his righteousness, nor was it infused in us. It was imputed on us or applied to our account.

How is this made possible?
2Co 5:21 "For he (God the Father) hath made him (Jesus Christ) to be sin for us, who (Jesus) knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

In other words, our sins were imputed on Christ. He died for our sins or on account of our sins. He didn't die in our sins because they were not infused into him. His righteousness was imputed on our account whereby we are declared just, not because of our personal righteousness, but according to the righteousness of Christ's obedience.