Justified is a legal term. Justification takes place at that Great White Throne judgment seat, where all souls will be present before our Heavenly Father.

Our Mediator, Yahshua Messiah, will act as our "lawyer" pleading our case before the True Judge, our Heavenly Father. This is where justification takes place.

Now how is one justified? By our Faith IN Yahshua Messiah, by our Faith OUT OF Yahshua Messiah.

What is Faith? That reliance and obedience in Him, as our Lord and Savior, who came and redeemed our sins with His atoning blood at the cross.

Those that are found Justified, will be allowed to live eternally with the Father and His Son.

It seems to me that those "confessions of faith" splits the "ek-kelsia" and establishes the Church system of today.

You can keep those "confessions of faith", I'll keep the Words of Yahweh!

After all, His Words sets me free, not some silly church system "confessions of faith"

In the Gospel of Luke, Luke gives us the foundation which leads us to the true birth date of Yahshua Messiah. Once we know that DATE, we are required to keep it.

Yahweh, established a certain DATE to His liken, not ours. The DATE that He chose is very significant when researched. Unfortunately the date set forth by the Churches is the WRONG DATE.

Therefore, Col. 2:16, is taken in the wrong context, when we know the truth.

By the way, this truth will set us free!

Unfortunately many like to drift away from the topic. All I did was make a correction on manuscripts.

If you go back a read my prior comments, you will see that I stay focus on the topic at hand.
It really doesn’t bother me what is said, as far as Merry Christmas or Happy Holiday.

As a Christian, I do not worship the birth of Yahshua Messiah on Dec. 25. I have been teaching, from Scriptures, the correct date, in which our Heavenly Father set forth.

That is the date that I look forward too.

I am very familiar with av1611, in fact receive their newsletters.

However the fact remains that NO early church father spoke on this verse.

These words were added into the verse to make up a new church system doctrine.

The words, as they exist in all the Greek MSS. with the exception of the Codex Montfortii, are the following: -
“1Jo_5:6. This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness because the Spirit is truth.

1Jo_5:7. For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.

1Jo_5:9. If we receive the witness of man, the witness of God is greater, etc.”

The words that are omitted by all the MSS., the above excepted, and all the versions, the Vulgate excepted, are these: -
[In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one, and there are three which bear witness in earth.]

When the Calvies/reformies take a deep look into their own writings, they can see how foolish their church system.

I. It is missing in all the earlier Greek manuscripts, for it is found in no Greek manuscript written before the 16th century. Indeed, it is found in only two Greek manuscripts of any age - one the Codex Montfortianus, or Britannicus, written in the beginning of the sixteenth century, and the other the Codex Ravianus, which is a mere transcript of the text, taken partly from the third edition of Stephen’s New Testament, and partly from the Complutensian Polyglott. But it is incredible that a genuine passage of the New Testament should be missing in all the early Greek manuscripts.

II. It is missing in the earliest versions, and, indeed, in a large part of the versions of the New Testament which have been made in all former times. It is inadequate in both the Syriac versions - one of which was made probably in the first century; in the Coptic, Armenian, Slavonic, Ethiopic, and Arabic.

III. It is never quoted by the Greek fathers in their controversies on the doctrine of the Trinity - a passage which would be so much in point, and which could not have failed to be quoted if it were genuine.

Why doesn't his statements correspond to the writings of the Letters of the Apostles and the Early Church Fathers?

Eze 13:2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;

Eze 13:3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

Eze 13:4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.

I have read many writings of the Early Church history fathers and I never once read anything pertaining to the tulip deception.

When I posted the 2 statements, I didn't hear of the calvies/reformies defend their doctrine. Because they knew that the 1st statement was more correct then the 2nd statement.

No the calvies/reformies can't debate scripture, but they sure can name call!

Jer 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

To whom are we referring to?

"which they know not"

You must agree that the 1st statement is closer to your Baptist belief then the statement from the "Doctrinal Works in the Reformed Tradition."

Note "Tradition" in the title. Why doesn't it say "Scripture"? Because their tradition does not line up with scripture.

My whole point in this survey, is the fact that the Churches are not teaching Scripture, but their traditions, in which their name is derived from.

AMEN ON YOUR POST!!!

Can you see the big differences contained within these 2 statements?

Since R.K. insists that I am an Arminian, check this out.

The 1st statement is taken from the Arminian Articles, while the 2nd statement is taken from the Doctrinal Works in the reformed Tradition.

No wonder the Calvies and the Reformies didn’t want to comment. They didn’t have a honest answer.

I wonder how pew warming Calvies/reformies have ever read their own church system material?

I wonder how many Calvies/Reformies have ever sat down and actually read Calvin's writings?

My conclusion therefore is that the Calvies and Reformies are teaching a false doctrine!!

Don't get mad at me because your teachings don't line up with scripture.

Yahweh has set a date. If we decide to keep His birthday, then it is our duty to attain the day that Yahweh set forth, not some man's tradition.

The key lies within Luke 1:5 "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth."

The bottom line is why do we celebrate Dec. 25 anyway?

Don't tell me because it is Jesus's birthday. That is non-sense!

Everybody knows that He wasn't born on Dec. 25, so why celebrate it then?

Why not celebrate the day in which the scriptures teach us?

Our Heavenly Father had a certain day in which to give us the greatest gift ever, so why don't the CHURCHES teach the proper day?

Why do the CHURCHES insist on following the traditions of men?

Shame on the CHURCHES for making a mockery out of Yahweh's Word!

That God, by an eternal, unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ's sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his Son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the gospel in 1Jo_3:36: 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;

or

Election is the unchangeable purpose of God whereby, before the foundation of the world, out of the whole human race, which had fallen by its own fault out of its original integrity into sin and perdition, He has, according to the sovereign good pleasure of His will, out of mere grace, chosen in Christ to salvation a definite number of persons, neither better nor more worthy than others, but with them involved in a common misery.

That God, by an eternal, unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ's sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his Son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the gospel in 1Jo_3:36: 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;

or

Election is the unchangeable purpose of God whereby, before the foundation of the world, out of the whole human race, which had fallen by its own fault out of its original integrity into sin and perdition, He has, according to the sovereign good pleasure of His will, out of mere grace, chosen in Christ to salvation a definite number of persons, neither better nor more worthy than others, but with them involved in a common misery.

That God, by an eternal, unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ's sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his Son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the gospel in 1Jo_3:36: 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;

or

Election is the unchangeable purpose of God whereby, before the foundation of the world, out of the whole human race, which had fallen by its own fault out of its original integrity into sin and perdition, He has, according to the sovereign good pleasure of His will, out of mere grace, chosen in Christ to salvation a definite number of persons, neither better nor more worthy than others, but with them involved in a common misery.

Waiting for a response from my post of 12/6/07 8:54 AM

Is question to hard?

That God, by an eternal, unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ's sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his Son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the gospel in 1Jo_3:36: 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;

or

Election is the unchangeable purpose of God whereby, before the foundation of the world, out of the whole human race, which had fallen by its own fault out of its original integrity into sin and perdition, He has, according to the sovereign good pleasure of His will, out of mere grace, chosen in Christ to salvation a definite number of persons, neither better nor more worthy than others, but with them involved in a common misery.